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  • #46
    As long as we have any kids in the house, the guns will be locked away. Our dog however is probably a deterrent just because his dog house is in the back yard in full view. The neighbors had a very similar break in last year. We figure they skipped us because of the dog.

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    • #47
      Two german shepherds, Vivant alarm system, and beretta m9 if needed. I sleep well.

      Shoot first, ask questions later.

      Glad no one was injured OP.

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      • #48
        I have stickers and signs for Brinks Home Security.  Maybe I'll get a big dog house too.  I would rather put up those pseudo-defenses than spring for a monthly subscription.

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        • #49




          I have stickers and signs for Brinks Home Security.  Maybe I’ll get a big dog house too.  I would rather put up those pseudo-defenses than spring for a monthly subscription.
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          In defense of the monthly subscription, you can get a pretty good set up for cheap (depending on what all need). USAA gives me a discount on my home insurance with it, and I can set the AC/heat from my iphone which has helped cut down on the electricity bill. Being able to double check/remotely shut my garage door and lock all the doors of my home is a nice plus too.

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          • #50
            As a new home owner, this issue resonates with me.  I have never fired a gun in my life so that is out of option.  Do not have a dog right now .  Maybe in the future

            What kind of security systems do you guys have at home to prevent burglary.  I am closing on my new home in a week and would like to have a security system in place before removing.  Would appreciate any recommendations.

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            • #51




              As a new home owner, this issue resonates with me.  I have never fired a gun in my life so that is out of option.  Do not have a dog right now .  Maybe in the future

              What kind of security systems do you guys have at home to prevent burglary.  I am closing on my new home in a week and would like to have a security system in place before removing.  Would appreciate any recommendations.
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              Vivant. Their home panels are very easy to operate and their iphone app is great too, would recommend. They contact me within <5 seconds when an alarm is triggered (door opened when alarm is set, window break, etc). AC/Heat can be adjusted from your phone, garage door open/shut from phone app, all doors locked in house from the app, etc. I'm very pleased with it.

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              • #52
                If any of you with guns + kids in the home are relying on your kids to "know better" and not touch guns that you leave unsecured, you're delusional.

                I work in a children's hospital in a city with a lot of gun violence.  Many of the kids we see who are shot (and die) have it happen because someone left an unsecured firearm where a kid could access it.

                It doesn't matter how well you teach them or how smart they are or how well hidden you think it is -- they don't know better and they aren't well-trained adults and they will find them.  Get a reliable gun safe or get rid of the guns.

                First patient I had die as a peds ER attending was a young boy who was shot in the forehead when his relative found an unsecured and loaded gun and accidentally shot him.  That was the first unsuccessful code/resuscitation where I was in charge (it was a futile one) and first time as the attending I had to break the news to a parent their child had died.

                I will freely admit I'm fairly anti-gun, but I know plenty of people who aren't, including my in-laws.  My FIL has a gun safe that my kids can't possibly access and is as safe as it gets with firearms, but I still have resisted him trying to teach my oldest to shoot.  I've got my biases, but it's pretty clear that kids + guns don't mix and it's more likely a family member is going to get shot than a burglar when you have tons of loaded guns in the home.
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                • #53
                  I figured that a lot of people on here would have guns, but even I'm a little surprised.  I haven't looked at the research on the topic lately, but the last time I looked at it, the evidence showed that having a gun in the home is more likely to be associated with some sort of bad outcome than a good one.  Even among responsible gun owners, and I'm sure everyone here believes they are one of those.  Is there some new evidence out there, or does everyone believe that it just doesn't apply to their situation for some reason.

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                  • #54




                    As a new home owner, this issue resonates with me.  I have never fired a gun in my life so that is out of option.  Do not have a dog right now .  Maybe in the future

                    What kind of security systems do you guys have at home to prevent burglary.  I am closing on my new home in a week and would like to have a security system in place before removing.  Would appreciate any recommendations.
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                    I have heard good things about simplisafe and if we ever get around to doing anything besides locking our doors and having two very vocal pups, that is the system we would install.

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                    • #55
                      All dogs are very vulnerable to pepper spray, and unless they are trained not accept food from strangers, they are easily drugged or poisoned with some ground beef.

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                      • #56




                        All dogs are very vulnerable to pepper spray, and unless they are trained not accept food from strangers, they are easily drugged or poisoned with some ground beef.
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                        Superman is very vulnerable to Kryptonite (and Lois Lane). Nevertheless, your home would be more secure if Superman was standing guard.
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                        • #57




                          I figured that a lot of people on here would have guns, but even I’m a little surprised.  I haven’t looked at the research on the topic lately, but the last time I looked at it, the evidence showed that having a gun in the home is more likely to be associated with some sort of bad outcome than a good one.  Even among responsible gun owners, and I’m sure everyone here believes they are one of those.  Is there some new evidence out there, or does everyone believe that it just doesn’t apply to their situation for some reason.


                          The data is not nearly as clear as you make it out to be. There are studies showing defensive firearm use as low as 50,000 annually and others reporting an upper limit of 2-4 million per annum. The methodology of these studies vary widely by questions asked and definitions of defensive firearm use (DFU), e.g. is brandishing a DFU or not? Many doing the studies have strong allegiances on one side or the other.

                          There are ~500 negligent firearm deaths annually with some fraction of these being children. One figure reports  120 children killed in this manner in 1998. Data about the number of negligent firearm discharges resulting in wounding only are harder to ascertain. Negligent deaths were much higher in the remote past and have been trending down.

                          There are about 600 suicides by children annually performed with a gun.

                          We all agree that any negligent wounding, death or suicide is an unspeakable tragedy, especially when children are involved. Measures to keep household guns out of children's hands are embraced by both sides of the gun issue. The disagreement arises about the relative risk vs benefit of a firearm in the house, and that conclusion depends in some part on the rate of defensive gun use data you choose to believe when weighed against the risk of negligent injury, death or suicide. As with all data, the numbers represent an average, not necessarily any one person's specific risk profile, which complicates matters further. A single mother living on eight mile in Detroit with a crazed stalker ex boyfriend and constant neighborhood violence who keeps a gun in the home for defensive purposes, represents a much different risk profile than a two parent gun owning family in the bucolic farmlands of western Idaho.

                          I think it is shortsighted to be dismissive of millions of American gun owners as being reckless with the safety of their children based on data alone when the data is all over the place. If there are 4 million defensive uses of firearms annually, now the benefits look a lot different than if there are only 50,000. Can you definitively say which studies are better and why? Also, if the modifiable risk factors, like proper storage of firearms, reduce the risks of negligent gun use, which it seems they do, now what are the risks vs benefits to that particular family? This is a complex issue and one that deserves proper contextualization and assumption of good intentions by all parties.

                          Ok, epistle over.

                           

                           

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                          • #58




                            All dogs are very vulnerable to pepper spray, and unless they are trained not accept food from strangers, they are easily drugged or poisoned with some ground beef.
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                            Sure, but taking the time to feed the dog a hamburger patty laced with Ambien or planning ahead to bring Mace for Fido is not the usual behavior for a meth addict who steals a purse in a smash and grab.

                            We can debate the merits of having firearms in the house, having gun safes and trigger locks versus having a home defense weapon at the ready, range time and Eddie Eagle courses and pistols vs. shotguns vs. tasers, etc.

                            Having a dog that is disciplined enough not to bite the mailman but loyal enough to the household to take action against a home invader is a good thing.  Having and using locks and cameras and motion sensor floodlights and perhaps having crunchy gravel under the windows all might be good things.

                            Still, while Mace might be illegal or highly discouraged in Massachusetts or at the local college dorm, it still would be a very fine idea for our college freshman daughters to have a can of hornet spray.  It has a 20+ foot range, hurts like the wrath of God, and doesn't run out after just one spritz like a Mace dispenser might.  You often find that you don't have any hornets under your eaves and you don't have any incidents of date rape when you have a big old can of hornet spray on your night stand.

                            (P.S. Unlike with a firearm, your own kids probably can't kill themselves with a can of hornet spray, but both they and a home invader sure might wish they were dead for a while after getting a face full.)

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                            • #59


                              Superman is very vulnerable to Kryptonite (and Lois Lane). Nevertheless, your home would be more secure if Superman was standing guard.
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                              If Superman were standing guard in homes, then all the bad guys would be carrying kryptonite.

                              My mother-in-law had 2 German Shepherds.  Burglars pepper sprayed them and beat them and locked them in the garage, where they were later found whimpering and cowering.

                              Will a dog deter some bad guys? Sure.  So will a sign saying "beware of dog", as will a sign saying "Protected by Alarm Company".   So will a motion activated recording that plays the sound of a barking dog.  But I would be reluctant to get a dog, spend thousands of dollars caring for it, spend thousands of  hours walking it and picking up after it, on the off chance that a burglar won't be deterred by the alarm and the sign and the recording of the dog, but will enter, see the dog, and won't just pepper spray it.

                              My best friend was a dog trainer.  He explained to me how they would routinely train guard dogs to refuse food from strangers, by having people walk by and throw food at the dog, treats or ground beef laced with hot chili peppers.  The dogs quickly learned not to accept the food.  Again, the bad guys know how to drug or poison dogs, and do it commonly.

                              So if you want a dog, get one, and the protection aspect is a bonus.  But I think that getting a dog purely for protection is not an efficient use of resources.

                              Just my opinion.

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                              • #60


                                If any of you with guns + kids in the home are relying on your kids to “know better” and not touch guns that you leave unsecured, you’re delusional.
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                                I don't see where anyone here suggested having unsecured guns in a home with children.

                                All of the cases of accidental shootings involving children that I am aware of occurred with guns that were not kept locked up safely.  They were in closets, on shelves, under a mattress or pillow.

                                I don't know how often guns prevent violence, but I do know that more children die in home swimming pool accidents than in accidental shootings each year.  Yet for some reason some people prefer to campaign against guns at home rather than swimming pools.

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