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    Anyone else ever have trouble with online calculators setting unreasonable limits? What's the point of a savings calculator that won't let me go crazy on savings %?

    Calculator was from Marketwatch. I'm not sure why it thinks I need 35 million to retire either.

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    I don't trust those online calculators, mostly because I can't see the mechanics and assumptions. Takes a little more time but I find setting my own assumptions and building out Excel spreadsheets is more reliable. Also, that article is garbage and speaks to why everyone doing any calculation for personal finance should look to their own specific situation and not rely on these online calculators or articles which are based on average comparisons. For example, PA ranks in the middle of the pack but is one of the best states to retire in from a tax standpoint - they don't tax IRA distributions or social security. Find a nice, out-of-the-way place and your property taxes are reasonably low. Not the case if living in/near Philly though.

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      I don’t trust those online calculators, mostly because I can’t see the mechanics and assumptions. Takes a little more time but I find setting my own assumptions and building out Excel spreadsheets is more reliable. Also, that article is garbage and speaks to why everyone doing any calculation for personal finance should look to their own specific situation and not rely on these online calculators or articles which are based on average comparisons. For example, PA ranks in the middle of the pack but is one of the best states to retire in from a tax standpoint – they don’t tax IRA distributions or social security. Find a nice, out-of-the-way place and your property taxes are reasonably low. Not the case if living in/near Philly though.
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      Been trying to get the wife to move to PA from the insane state of NJ for years. Not budging yet.

       

      There are a lot of good calculators out there, but they all have flaws. The extended i-orp is good, FireCalc is fair, Ultimate Retirement calc is good, Flexible retirement planner is good. Here is a review of some of these: https://www.caniretireyet.com/the-3-best-free-retirement-calculators/

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      • #4
        Yeah, NJ is insane. PA is nice for retirement but it's a trap in a way. 4.5% estate tax on inheritance. You either have to gift below the exemption amount while alive or move.

        I've only started playing with it, but there is what looks to be a very comprehensive calculator from one of the Bogleheads members:

        https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Retiree_Portfolio_Model

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          Yeah, NJ is insane. PA is nice for retirement but it’s a trap in a way. 4.5% estate tax on inheritance. You either have to gift below the exemption amount while alive or move.

          I’ve only started playing with it, but there is what looks to be a very comprehensive calculator from one of the Bogleheads members:

          https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Retiree_Portfolio_Model
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          Wow ...that is detailed ...thx.

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          • #6
            Pretty much all online calculators from the banks and brokerages assume you live paycheck to paycheck or pretty close to it. That's how they come up with the fact that you *need* 70% or 80% of your income to live on.

            It doesn't work at our income levels. If I needed that much to live, I'd have a negative savings rate. My effective tax rate is above 30%, leaving me with something like 68% to live on. Fortunately, we live on something closer to 15% of my full time pay.

            Check out the calculators mentioned by @NJDoc. Those aren't limited by goofy assumptions.

             

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            • #7
              Most calculators will not allow you to enter a really long retirement length either.  Always remember they are just estimates.  Darrow Kirkpatrick has several great posts comparing calculators.

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              • #8
                Thanks for all the options. I'll definitely work through them on my next 4 overnight shifts starting tonight.  Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

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                  I don’t trust those online calculators, mostly because I can’t see the mechanics and assumptions. Takes a little more time but I find setting my own assumptions and building out Excel spreadsheets is more reliable. Also, that article is garbage and speaks to why everyone doing any calculation for personal finance should look to their own specific situation and not rely on these online calculators or articles which are based on average comparisons. For example, PA ranks in the middle of the pack but is one of the best states to retire in from a tax standpoint – they don’t tax IRA distributions or social security. Find a nice, out-of-the-way place and your property taxes are reasonably low. Not the case if living in/near Philly though.
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                  I think my favorite retirement calculator is the one built into my wife's fidelity account.

                  She maxed out 401k for 4 years as a resident and for the 2 years she's been an attending has maxed out 401k (+6% match), 457b, Backdoor Roth. Portfolio performance over those years has been 8-20%.

                  Fidelity retirement score: 44/150 = "needs attention."

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                  • #10
                    Haha.  Looks like they accidentally gave y'all the internal score card of what accounts need the most "attention" (offering of managed accounts, higher fee mutual fund suggestions, etc.).

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                    • #11
                      that's the only thing i can think of.

                      it literally would not have been possible for her to save more in qualified plans.

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                        I don’t trust those online calculators, mostly because I can’t see the mechanics and assumptions. Takes a little more time but I find setting my own assumptions and building out Excel spreadsheets is more reliable. Also, that article is garbage and speaks to why everyone doing any calculation for personal finance should look to their own specific situation and not rely on these online calculators or articles which are based on average comparisons. For example, PA ranks in the middle of the pack but is one of the best states to retire in from a tax standpoint – they don’t tax IRA distributions or social security. Find a nice, out-of-the-way place and your property taxes are reasonably low. Not the case if living in/near Philly though.
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                        I think my favorite retirement calculator is the one built into my wife’s fidelity account.

                        She maxed out 401k for 4 years as a resident and for the 2 years she’s been an attending has maxed out 401k (+6% match), 457b, Backdoor Roth. Portfolio performance over those years has been 8-20%.

                        Fidelity retirement score: 44/150 = “needs attention.”
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                        Was going to come here and post virtually the same thing about my wife's fidelity account.

                        I've even played around with it and the best I can get out of it is 74/150 "fair."     :lol:

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                          I don’t trust those online calculators, mostly because I can’t see the mechanics and assumptions. Takes a little more time but I find setting my own assumptions and building out Excel spreadsheets is more reliable. Also, that article is garbage and speaks to why everyone doing any calculation for personal finance should look to their own specific situation and not rely on these online calculators or articles which are based on average comparisons. For example, PA ranks in the middle of the pack but is one of the best states to retire in from a tax standpoint – they don’t tax IRA distributions or social security. Find a nice, out-of-the-way place and your property taxes are reasonably low. Not the case if living in/near Philly though.
                          Click to expand…


                          I think my favorite retirement calculator is the one built into my wife’s fidelity account.

                          She maxed out 401k for 4 years as a resident and for the 2 years she’s been an attending has maxed out 401k (+6% match), 457b, Backdoor Roth. Portfolio performance over those years has been 8-20%.

                          Fidelity retirement score: 44/150 = “needs attention.”
                          Click to expand…


                          Was going to come here and post virtually the same thing about my wife’s fidelity account.

                          I’ve even played around with it and the best I can get out of it is 74/150 “fair.”     ????
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                          Yup, I am a 77. I’ll never retire at this rate.

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                          • #14
                            My favorite is FIRECalc. I am not sure if it is because it asks me for the inputs that I believe are relevant or that it spits out the answer to the question that I would like to believe.

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