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primary care docs, i want your input/opinion/answers..how much do you gross per day?

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  • primary care docs, i want your input/opinion/answers..how much do you gross per day?

    i know it will vary depending on employed vs PP vs other factors etc however im trying to see how i compare. in your answers plz ONLY include how much you make per day actually seeing patients in an outpatient clinic. DONT include supervising midlevels , ancillary income, CBD oil sales etc ...
    interested in the per day amount as i dont think yearly compensation data helps me compare bc i take more time off than the average primary care doc...30+ days per year of time off.

    im 4yrs out of residency.
    employed.
    26hrs per wk. (maintain full benefits bc i was allowed to cut back during pandemic to homeschool and there was an informal agreement to keep this limited schedule).
    usually make 1300-1500 per day i work. includes the variation in acuity level (99214 vs 99215 etc...).

    thanks for your input

  • #2
    You still need a new job.

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    • #3
      cmon cord, humor me...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post
        You still need a new job.
        cmon cord, humor me...

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        • #5
          36 contact hours a week; about 10-14 hours box/documentation time; full pension benefits with 4weeks vacation and 2 weeks holiday. Annual 313k. -- Bonus not included which is up to 18k a year for 'VBC' metrics.

          Based on contact hours alone:
          salary per
          $6,806.37 week
          $1,512.53 day
          $189.07 hour
          If you add in the box time drops down to about $150 per hour .
          Last edited by StarTrekDoc; 05-07-2022, 01:09 PM.

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          • #6
            If I don’t get more replies I’ll start thinking there’s mostly specialists on this forum….or maybe the pcps are to busy charting late at night and can’t join in. Hmmm

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            • #7
              40000 before taxes per month +80-100k of incentive bonus spread through the year, 401k , health, disability - all RVU based so vacation and time off is on me.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Savedfpdoc View Post
                If I don’t get more replies I’ll start thinking there’s mostly specialists on this forum….or maybe the pcps are to busy charting late at night and can’t join in. Hmmm
                Or maybe pcps use a metric of Comp per decade or years or per hour. Your informal agreement has you thinking in days. In good faith, please humor me how you expect pcps to adjust to your wishes.
                Just a nudge to not draw conclusions.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Savedfpdoc View Post

                  cmon cord, humor me...
                  I’m EM so my compensation would be irrelevant for you.

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                  • #10
                    I am retired so I can't help you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

                      I’m EM so my compensation would be irrelevant for you.
                      Rich.

                      lol jk

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tim View Post
                        Or maybe pcps use a metric of Comp per decade or years or per hour. Your informal agreement has you thinking in days. In good faith, please humor me how you expect pcps to adjust to your wishes.
                        Just a nudge to not draw conclusions.
                        Tim. This is just a simple exercise…I’m not looking to be accurate to the last penny.
                        for ex I’m paid on wrvus, at $44 per wrvu. 20 patients per day x 1.5 wrvu per pt =30 wrvus. X $44= $1320 per day.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Savedfpdoc View Post

                          Tim. This is just a simple exercise…I’m not looking to be accurate to the last penny.
                          for ex I’m paid on wrvus, at $44 per wrvu. 20 patients per day x 1.5 wrvu per pt =30 wrvus. X $44= $1320 per day.
                          Well, you can ask wrvu rate, how many patients per day, what is your avg wrvu per encounter or whatever you wish.
                          wrvu rate is the most common. Or base with incentive. Just with respect, it is difficult to gather samples.
                          Hint: MGMA does not do it for free.

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                          • #14
                            I closed my solo FM office about 18 months ago and now work part time. I think what you're asking for is net, not gross, at least from a private practice standpoint. It would be hard for me to answer as I didn't break it down based on RVU's or CPT codes, some years I employed a PA, the ancillary income was figured in, there was quite a bit of value in the way I set up my retirement plan, etc, etc. My take based on salaries around here is that for a PT employed primary care physician you are probably doing OK.

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                            • #15
                              Op, yes this is a simple question and the issue is that folk, even in a financial forum that understands the importance of knowledge is power.... individual compensation reamins a third rail for many and that's the ultimate advantage to the employer.

                              since I've lived forever in a public institution, my salary has always been transparent, so easily state this publicly. This is not the norm.

                              As tim pointed out, many factors go into a daily earning rate. As you figured out later, you stated some .... Rvus, $per rvu, number patients number hours worked, benefits. Then you average daily.

                              Perhaps adjusting your op will help with responses.... probably not, but more.useful information at responses.

                              ​​​​​​Ultimately, you need local specific information. As pointed before, your dollar per rvu appears lowish and root cause of the issue. Do the local legwork

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