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  • Originally posted by Tangler View Post
    I know this is just anecdotal but a scrub tech friend. Vibrant 6 foot 4 inch tough guy who runs and lifts weights and is strong and fit. Fishing friend. vibrant. 54 years old but looks 35.

    He does not get vaccine. Not sure why, but he didn't.

    He got covid and ended up in ICU on vent for 11 days and almost died. He is doing better but he feels pretty dumb for not getting the vaccine. As a health care worker he could have gotten it early and he decided not to.

    Most people do not get very sick. some do. not worth the risk. The vaccines are basically a technological miracle in my opinion. I'm all for freedom, but people who chose to not get vaccinated are making a big mistake in my opinion.

    I know people/patients who got really sick from covid (ICU sick, my dad, several friends etc.). I don't know people/patients who have gotten really sick from the vaccine. I know that is not scientific but it is what I have seen. I also know the data showing that most of the current ICU patients are unvaccinated folks.

    We (docs) should really push the vaccine in my opinion.
    Thats the point of all this, we dont KNOW, if we did, we'd have no need.

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    • Well at least we can thank the unvaccinated for today’s stock sale. On second thought, I wouldn’t mind a repeat of the March and April 2020 markets as long as they zoom back up again

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      • Originally posted by JBME View Post
        Well at least we can thank the unvaccinated for today’s stock sale. On second thought, I wouldn’t mind a repeat of the March and April 2020 markets as long as they zoom back up again
        bought in today while hoping to get enough of a dip to combo TLH/buy more of the dip via the tlh partner soon.

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        • One of the widely accepted healthcare practices is related to skin cancer. Exposure “tanning” was widely popular but found to have very serious health implications, namely use lotions and sunscreens. Unfortunately, subsequent events turn up that the recommended protection is potentially harmful. Johnson & Johnson has a vaccine.
          Quite honestly, Baby Powder and sunscreen are examples of why some people get nervous about FDA approved products.

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...inogen-cancer/

          https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ohnson-cancer/

          The point is that baby powder and sunscreen really seem much less risky than a new vaccine. Definitely baby powder and sunscreen did not generate the political debate. They do sow the seeds of doubt and mistrust that impacts choices. Mistakes get made and new information comes along. Definitely has an emotional impact on some points of view and choices. Especially when it comes to trusting corporate behavior. I have no idea whether lives were save and it is worth the risk to use the sunscreen. That is the choice we are asking people to make. It looks good. So did baby powder and sunscreen. Things happen. Call it irrational, but emotional decisions are made.

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          • Originally posted by Hank View Post
            Not banned. Just suspended until Covid-19 no longer is killing thousands.

            If you want to peddle anti-scientific nonsense that will lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands more of our fellow citizens, Facebook is over there.
            I'd honestly prefer to give them a little latitude to flounder around first. Having their claims debunked is very helpful.

            For example there was the guy who came in with his "buried in a footnote" claims. A couple of posters debunked it.

            I came across it again somewhere else today, and I knew exactly what was wrong.

            Stuff like that is helpful.

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            • Originally posted by Hatton View Post
              The posters posting false info are now being banned if you had not noticed.
              We could not allow a single opposing viewpoint? I have followed this thread closely and the argument was 99 to 1. There was no danger of losing the thread to misleading information.

              I am a vaccinated physician and agree with the 99% opinion here, but I am surprised and frustrated that someone would get suspended/banned for arguing their viewpoint.

              Who decides if posted information is false? For those people touting the science buzzword, we have all been reminded that it is a process, never the final word.

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              • Originally posted by SEC Doc View Post

                We could not allow a single opposing viewpoint? I have followed this thread closely and the argument was 99 to 1. There was no danger of losing the thread to misleading information.

                I am a vaccinated physician and agree with the 99% opinion here, but I am surprised and frustrated that someone would get suspended/banned for arguing their viewpoint.

                Who decides if posted information is false? For those people touting the science buzzword, we have all been reminded that it is a process, never the final word.
                It's called evidence-based medicine. And there's more than a preponderance of evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective. Just because an anti-vax troll pretending to be a doc (or even more scarily is a doc) got banned doesn't mean we have to listen to their opinion. I don't listen to white-supremicists/Nazi's opinions either because they are decidedly wrong and dangerous. Moving on now that trolls are gone...fun thread to follow

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                • Originally posted by eyecandy View Post

                  It's called evidence-based medicine. And there's more than a preponderance of evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective. Just because an anti-vax troll pretending to be a doc (or even more scarily is a doc) got banned doesn't mean we have to listen to their opinion. I don't listen to white-supremicists/Nazi's opinions either because they are decidedly wrong and dangerous. Moving on now that trolls are gone...fun thread to follow
                  Sooooo, if someone chooses to not get vaccinated, the survival option is to not say a word. Because it is anyone’s right to draw conclusions. If you wear a mask, it is an indication that you are not vaccinated. If they ask you and you tell them then they have the right to ask why. No matter the reason (as long as it’s not medical) it is obviously wrong. A believer false information is not to be tolerated.

                  WCI has the right to allow more light than darkness. In this case (as you say) the preponderance of evidence was it was not light but darkness being promoted. A troll. Perfectly legit.

                  I would suggest the government has a higher standard. I certainly hope the ban was not the result of a CDC complaint. If that was the case, they need to make a law.

                  Society can shun and isolate as it chooses. Just not in favor of the government doing that.

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                  • Originally posted by SEC Doc View Post

                    We could not allow a single opposing viewpoint? I have followed this thread closely and the argument was 99 to 1. There was no danger of losing the thread to misleading information.

                    I am a vaccinated physician and agree with the 99% opinion here, but I am surprised and frustrated that someone would get suspended/banned for arguing their viewpoint.

                    Who decides if posted information is false? For those people touting the science buzzword, we have all been reminded that it is a process, never the final word.
                    I believe the mods gave a bit of slack and the 'physician' was given multiple chances to back up his/her statements but only moved from one grandiose baiting statement to another awaiting for an attack response.

                    No problem with people having their own choices. Just do it at home and not put public at risk with your individual choice.

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                    • Originally posted by Tim View Post
                      One of the widely accepted healthcare practices is related to skin cancer. Exposure “tanning” was widely popular but found to have very serious health implications, namely use lotions and sunscreens. Unfortunately, subsequent events turn up that the recommended protection is potentially harmful. Johnson & Johnson has a vaccine.
                      Quite honestly, Baby Powder and sunscreen are examples of why some people get nervous about FDA approved products.

                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...inogen-cancer/

                      https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ohnson-cancer/

                      The point is that baby powder and sunscreen really seem much less risky than a new vaccine. Definitely baby powder and sunscreen did not generate the political debate. They do sow the seeds of doubt and mistrust that impacts choices. Mistakes get made and new information comes along. Definitely has an emotional impact on some points of view and choices. Especially when it comes to trusting corporate behavior. I have no idea whether lives were save and it is worth the risk to use the sunscreen. That is the choice we are asking people to make. It looks good. So did baby powder and sunscreen. Things happen. Call it irrational, but emotional decisions are made.
                      people don't get nervous about FDA approved products.

                      everyone refusing vaccination will happily take lipitor, viagra, cialis, amlodipine, lidocaine, norco, oxy, tylenol, benadryl, hydrocortisone, neosporin, sevoflourane.

                      if this is an issue about trusting the gov't to regulate drugs then i think the antivax crowd has an easy answer: no vax and hard commit not to seek medical care when they get covid. after all we can't trust the gov't or these doctors, many of who are inflating covid numbers for profit after all.

                      another major issue with your theory is that a huge part of the anti-vax crew believes that HQ and IVM are effective therapies. so you won't take a vaccine that has prevented critical illness in 99% of recipients, but when get the virus you'll take a lupus medicine and give yourself a deworming. got it. get on with your bad self.

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                      • Originally posted by SEC Doc View Post

                        We could not allow a single opposing viewpoint? I have followed this thread closely and the argument was 99 to 1. There was no danger of losing the thread to misleading information.

                        I am a vaccinated physician and agree with the 99% opinion here, but I am surprised and frustrated that someone would get suspended/banned for arguing their viewpoint.

                        Who decides if posted information is false? For those people touting the science buzzword, we have all been reminded that it is a process, never the final word.
                        His argument revolved around "we don't know", "there is not enough evidence", and "everyone can decide for themselves". You can draw a circle through those three statements and that's his thought process.

                        The guy didn't post any factual information to back up any of his claims. The antivaxxers always latch on to the side effects of vaccines (real, theoretical, and hysterical) but they never engage in a rational discussion of those side effects vs the consequences of not vaccinating. It is indisputable covid numbers and deaths are climbing again in the US because of Delta but this guy will never address it.

                        It's not a discussion when one side arbitrarily draws a line stating "you must prove 100% you are right and I reserve the right to do whatever I want. Don't judge me".

                        Maybe the better option would have been to lock the forum thread. It was going nowhere.

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                        • Originally posted by zlandar View Post
                          Maybe the better option would have been to lock the forum thread. It was going nowhere.
                          Thread closed. Please review WCI’s first post in the approved Covid-19 thread. https://forum.whitecoatinvestor.com/...of-coronavirus

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