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  • #46
    I think we can all agree we as a nation keep getting fatter as things go along. All generations
    i think generation alpha is the name for millennial kids?
    maybe we can re-jigger the BMI charts to make us feel better
    this isn’t a generational thing, but societal

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    • #47
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ody_mass_index

      Not that the USA has a lot to brag about, but we’re far from the fattest nation on Earth. I’m not sure where you draw the line on “high income,” but there are a few Middle Eastern countries with higher average BMI’s and pretty high per capita GDP’s.

      I was looking for a similar table for the 50 states but the closest I could find was a list of obesity rates by state. When you compare the states with the highest (Mississippi) and lowest (Colorado), it makes a lot of sense, and those are states that are the polar opposite of each other in many ways. I also can’t think of many people who would choose to live in Mississippi over Colorado (ignoring the fact that Mississippi has a much lower COL).

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bellescamp View Post
        I think we can all agree we as a nation keep getting fatter as things go along. All generations
        i think generation alpha is the name for millennial kids?
        maybe we can re-jigger the BMI charts to make us feel better
        this isn’t a generational thing, but societal
        Just move to Mars 😉

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        • #49
          Any theories on why island and Middle Eastern nations have such high obesity rates? Obviously doesn't apply to all, but the trend is obvious. Always found that interesting...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by bovie View Post
            Any theories on why island and Middle Eastern nations have such high obesity rates? Obviously doesn't apply to all, but the trend is obvious. Always found that interesting...
            Not certain about middle eastern, but descendants of hunter gatherer(africa, native americans, islanders) don't tolerate grains as well.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JBME View Post

              You do know there are millennials on these forums, right? including me. So you think we're always on our phones, not sleeping, and not doing work? you know what I remember? growing up and hearing all the politicians talk about the problems of the deficit and how we can't leave our children and grandchildren with all this debt. Well many of those children are now adults and it seems like the old people talking about how bad debt is....have left all their children and grandchildren all this government debt. Thanks old people. of course I'm being facetious
              I meant the Gen Z rather than millennials since that is the group I am most familiar with. As I stated this includes my daughter and all her friends and pretty much all at their school. The problem is that they have a heavy school schedule and it should be their main focus. Instead they are on their phones all the time and they are up late into the night working on the coursework deadlines that they don't get enough rest and they are stressed out. They don't have enough time for the traditional exercise. Unless there is a bunch of Gen Z hiding somewhere that I missed who are hard working, not addicted to their phones, having their 8 hours of sleep and getting regular exercise I think I am correct in that assessment.

              Poor mental health among them will soon overtake poor physical health.

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              • #52
                I think it’s interesting that millennials and boomers get picked on so much and everyone just leaves gen x alone. I guess the word is long out that we just don’t really care.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Lithium View Post
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ody_mass_index
                  I also can’t think of many people who would choose to live in Mississippi over Colorado (ignoring the fact that Mississippi has a much lower COL).
                  That's a pretty big caveat to that statement. There are tons of reasons why people would choose Mississippi over Colorado including their job, family, weather, etc. It's no different than comparing any two states in the US and reasons for people living where they do.

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                  • #54
                    I mean if we want to throw out lazy generalizations (original article didn't even bother with defining millennials properly; whatever it is it's not 1981-88) we certainly can:

                    Boomers are the ultimate entitled generation who grew up in the bustling post-war economy where everything was cheap and easy. They bought houses, cars, and education with summer part time jobs. They wouldn't know difficulty if it hit them in the face and now they complain that no one wants to serve them fast food burgers for minimum wage.

                    Gen Xers are forgotten by history and everyone else and used to be content with that, except now that they're aging and mid-life crises are hitting they want everyone to know how tough and superior they are for growing up without tech to make up for the lack of attention and affection.

                    Am I doing it right?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Kamban View Post

                      I meant the Gen Z rather than millennials since that is the group I am most familiar with. As I stated this includes my daughter and all her friends and pretty much all at their school. The problem is that they have a heavy school schedule and it should be their main focus. Instead they are on their phones all the time and they are up late into the night working on the coursework deadlines that they don't get enough rest and they are stressed out. They don't have enough time for the traditional exercise. Unless there is a bunch of Gen Z hiding somewhere that I missed who are hard working, not addicted to their phones, having their 8 hours of sleep and getting regular exercise I think I am correct in that assessment.

                      Poor mental health among them will soon overtake poor physical health.
                      honestly what you describe isn't all that different from millennials, who grew up as the first generation where home PCs became the norm and still in their teenage years the internet became widely accessible. And thus those teenagers were on the internet all the time. "addicted" to technology via computer/PC rather than phone. Yes phones are more accessible than PCs but it's not like PCs weren't that accessible. Most of my friends in HS were working well into the night on their coursework, being stressed, and not getting enough sleep. Not healthy I agree but it's no surprise to me that teenagers these days are doing that as they did it when I was a teenager.

                      As for traditional exercise, are there not youth sports anymore? HS intramural sports, and more organized/varsity? of course there are.

                      Also while Gen Z may be addicted to their phones now, their parents play some role in this. There was no need to get them a phone before they were out of the house in the first place. Don't want them on their phone all day? don't get them a phone. "But how can I get in touch with my child then?" I mean, there not too long ago existed a time when parent's couldn't get in touch with their children 24/7 and still we functioned as a society and as a family unit. Extreme solution to not get a phone? totally. teenagers wouldn't stand for that these days given the norms. but parents collectively made a choice ~15-20 years ago. Did the cellular companies play a role in making that choice so they could make profits? of course. but it was still a collective choice

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                      • #56
                        Death, taxes, and hating on the generations that come before/after you are a few absolutes in life.

                        Personally I see millennial that work their asses off only to be less able to get into a good college then the previous generation (admissions 10x more competitive then before), while being saddled with levels of debt their parents never had to go to school, followed by being unable to afford to buy a home or raise a family due to dramatic rises in cost of living with stagnant wages in most fields. They see the arrogance of the older generation that think they pulled themselves up by their bootsraps because they worked a part time job during college that paid their whole tuition and bought a nice house for 1-2x salary right after graduation. They may then start a job in a field which used to be lucrative, but was run into the ground by the boomer generation, like Dentistry, pharmacy, law, or *gasp* some parts of medicine.

                        While some aspects of modern society are amazing (the worlds data accessible at your fingertips, better/safer modes of transportation, etc etc.), i personally think life is much harder for the newer generations then boomers had it.

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                        • #57
                          Speaking as a immigrant late 30s pediatrician who's probably more conservative (on an actual scale and not within the narrow band of opinion that polarizes the American left and right), who sees teens and young families, who grew up wasting time playing video games and now occasionally wastes time on the wasteland that is Reddit - y'all wrong.


                          There's differences between generations, and some patterns recur, but as a whole, as a society or a civilization, we are rapidly headed downwards in every way that actually counts. Mental health and physical health are just down the line indicators of spiritual health - or existential health, if you prefer. All the prevailing ideologies are nihilist, and while you can blame boomers, the buck doesn't stop there either, and you may as well blame the Reformation or the Enlightenment. Not only are the ideologies anti-meaning, previous generations of intellectuals have worn down all the natural defenses against nihilism - most people cannot muster arguments against any social ill, because the only values that are upheld are entirely relative - the only truth that exists is your personal truth. How could a culture steeped in materialism, positivism, scientism, willful individualism, take a meaningful position on, say, the current epidemic of depressed and anxious adolescent girls (who are probably the subset of the population most susceptible to social pressures) insisting they are boys, and wanting to transition as rapidly as possible, hormones and surgeries and all? "It hurts your body, your fertility, and you might regret these irreversible changes later" are probably the least persuasive arguments when the instant gain of social capital and liberation from their current mental state beckons, yet no one can insist on the truth that men and women are fundamentally different and not interchangeable.

                          This is not an issue of what some religion says, this is the understanding that there is such a thing as human nature and that the wisdom passed down from every single civilization situates human beings between 'heaven' and 'earth', and is unanimous in professing belief in both objective reality and the existence of an absolute truth. Of course, we view anyone pre-Enlightenment as practically cavemen, forgetting that they accomplished far greater things with far less means, and with each successive generation this jaundiced view has redounded more rapidly than before to bite them in the arse. Tim mentioned a very relevant quote in this regard. This is no longer a 'culture' with a vertical transmission, which is the very etymology of the word 'tradition'. We are so anti-tradition that it is not schools but other kids who are raising our kids. And at the same time, there is the idea that every overlay of society and civilization is a product of power and patriarchy, and we prefer this naturalistic mode of conditioning to actual discipline (as in self-control, not punishment). We are so allergic to authority and any form of hierarchy, and so beholden to egalitarianism, that we conflate authoritative and authoritarian. Sometimes I have to get at the root of a problem by point-blank asking a parent - do you believe that there is anything of value that you have to teach your children?

                          It is because of the ideological environment that it's become passe to even broach the possibility of a truth that is not simply re-statements or re-interpretations of context-less factoids from the sciences. Of course, fundies and nutjobs of all stripes are also an outcome of this milieu, but that's who you point to when someone is so tacky as to talk about universal values drawn not from science but from the accumulated experience of humanity (let alone the existence of a reality that encompasses your thought and imagination and makes it possible for you to, say, see something red, instead of merely the perception of a particular wavelength of light).

                          If there is no absolute truth, there is no truth at all, and while you might not understand this intellectually, you'll end up living that way all the same. Yes diseases are diagnosed more often, but also we have become more susceptible to them because of the continual narrowing of perspective. Hence all the anxiety and depression - if this is all there is, and if this is simply the bare physical fact of your existence as an incidental outcome of a primordial soup, then you better make the most of it. Every second that life is not at an all-time high of hedonistic delight is a second of existential dread - escape it any way you can. The phones are ultimately just another symptom, like the breakdown of families and the complete absence of a discernible community. All the boys are watching porn (which is now apparently 'healthy') and playing video games, the girls are anxiously checking their phones to make sure they don't miss a DM and be summarily dismissed from their particular ingroup, which wards off the specter of being a complete loser in the game of life. At some point, boys brought up on porn meet girls brought up with the carrot of attention and the stick of rejection, and a new dysfunctional generation appears.


                          The conservatives don't know how to respond except to double down or point to the Bible, and the liberals keep shifting the line and whispering, 'this far, and no further, I promise.'
                          Last edited by legobikes; 05-27-2021, 01:22 PM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Kamban View Post

                            I meant the Gen Z rather than millennials since that is the group I am most familiar with. As I stated this includes my daughter and all her friends and pretty much all at their school. The problem is that they have a heavy school schedule and it should be their main focus. Instead they are on their phones all the time and they are up late into the night working on the coursework deadlines that they don't get enough rest and they are stressed out. They don't have enough time for the traditional exercise. Unless there is a bunch of Gen Z hiding somewhere that I missed who are hard working, not addicted to their phones, having their 8 hours of sleep and getting regular exercise I think I am correct in that assessment.

                            Poor mental health among them will soon overtake poor physical health.
                            I think Kamban's daughter is smart, resourceful and will figure it out without crashing. She might have a fender bender or two along the way, she will be just fine.

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                            • #59
                              Are we really hating on other generations or just old people hating on young people and vice versa?


                              Maybe we should focus on toddlers. They cannot read and type so we can talk unfiltered. They poop their pants and wake up too early. Always demanding attention and they are so needy. Lazy bums cannot make it through the day without a nap. What is the world coming to???

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by legobikes View Post
                                Lots of stuff
                                The reminds me of being a medical student and rotating with an Indian OBGYN. She fit the stereotype of immigrant Asians (South or East) having no issues talking about American taboo topics. Somehow she brought up religion and was totally gobsmacked when I told her that I didn't believe in anything (spiritual). She didn't care about being Hindu or Christian or anything in particular, but couldn't believe that I didn't believe in any higher power.

                                Without getting too far into the weeds, I will simply say that I strongly disagree with you. I absolutely and strongly think that spirituality is not necessary or sufficient to be moral, ethical, or to have a fulfilling life.

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