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  • #16
    Originally posted by pedsmd View Post
    Good points. I'm cheap as well which is why I'm pausing to think before taking the plunge.
    • I actually want my kids to have their friends over. I think having a nice backyard where my kids would want to hang with their friends as they enter the teen years means I can have a little more oversight.
    • asthetics and the backyard isn't that functional as a large play area.

    The former is why you will do this. 5 yr window basically 12-17 kids need a place to hang. So convenient to say "Take it outside". A great place for them.
    The latter is the intended purpose for the kids expires in about 5 years. I am simply considering the winter outdoor grilling was something to do during the pandemic.
    Only you can decide how much you will use it when seasons change and kids are back in school. My guess would be once a weekend tops. Not sure if the desire for some "family activity" will be the same. Your grill worked out pretty well. You could cut out a lot of the expense by scaling back the full outdoor kitchen. Same space, the teens aren't going to be grilling.

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    • #17
      Personally, I am not in favor of turning a limited backyard space into a concrete, stone and metal jungle. I have seen many a such monstrosity. Just because you can do something does not mean you should do something. I would consider dedicating 1/2 the space to greenery and flowering items. This can be done strategically and still get good use of the space. Sometimes, less is more.

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      • #18
        He can get some nice containers for all types of flowering plants. They really add to your outdoor space. Do what makes you happy. Do not think it will help with resale.

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        • #19
          We live in the NE and dumped that much into our yard in terms of trex deck and a pool with heater and automatic cover. This will be our 6th year with the pool. Worth every cent. The only place it added any value to our house was on the assessment. Most high end houses in this area have pools so I don't think it would turn off most buyers. The deck is great 6 months of the year. The pool is usable about 4 months of the year. I would rather have all the memories than more money on the bank.

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          • #20
            I’ve regretted most home improvements we’ve undertaken in the past. Luckily, we haven’t done any in the last 10 years.

            I think 95% of the time, it really didn’t matter. At one time I thought a new front fence with motorised gate, new driveway, outdoor kitchen and new decking area were a good idea. Due to inertia and lack of time we never got around to it and it hasn’t been needed.

            I’m not a pool fan and would probably offer less for a house with a pool cf without one.

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            • #21
              Fwiw I did it and have no regrets, my nw is 1/2 but I live in very rural place. Was worth every penny of the 62,900 I spent in 2015, i told myself back then each day is a 600$ luxury vacation day counting I would spend on kids and wife on a vacation day away, With hotels, back there and I’ve taken about 120 vacation “ days” back there a year! Kids enjoy it with friends too and it’s nice to know where they are when we just are meeting a new friend, my spouse thinks that’s paranoid but it gives me peace of mind they are in our view, because we have the cool yard with stuff.

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              • #22
                Pool and shaded place to hang are key for us. Put in two pool in two homes. going on a third now. The most used part? -- Spa. If you plan to use it and like a warm pool/spa -- splurge on the radiant heat. Payoff in longer season and a lot lower gas bills.

                We actually tore out our BBQ set in the 2nd home instead of reburbishing the bull. The built ins are expensive and more PITA than a simple stand alone grill. A covered space with space heaters overhead counterspace are key to evening nights out and in view of the well lit pool/spa -- blessed evenings outdoors with the fam.

                Here in San Diego - landscape going crazy just like housing. Pool quote: 120k for a very nice sized 130 linear foot pool

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                • #23
                  Been thinking/planning on a deck for last couple weeks. Its always hard to say but yours sounds pretty amazing and if it extends your living space will probably be amazing and you'll love it.

                  Cost wise, everything is so expensive, wish I had done this last year the first time we talked about it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by StarTrekDoc View Post
                    Pool and shaded place to hang are key for us. Put in two pool in two homes. going on a third now. The most used part? -- Spa. If you plan to use it and like a warm pool/spa -- splurge on the radiant heat. Payoff in longer season and a lot lower gas bills.

                    We actually tore out our BBQ set in the 2nd home instead of reburbishing the bull. The built ins are expensive and more PITA than a simple stand alone grill. A covered space with space heaters overhead counterspace are key to evening nights out and in view of the well lit pool/spa -- blessed evenings outdoors with the fam.

                    Here in San Diego - landscape going crazy just like housing. Pool quote: 120k for a very nice sized 130 linear foot pool
                    I built too large of a pool. The pool/spa combination and the waterfall fixtures and landscape add a whole space that is sooooooo useful with family gatherings etc.
                    Had two weddings and it allows inside/outside areas for different age groups to congregate and not invade the space of the other. Too hot, go inside and cool off. Different music, no problem. Game on TV and a card game, separate areas. Even had a casino party for a graduation. Every "dance/prom/graduation" memory pics with the parents gathering has always been at my house. A set of pics with the limo, poses by the lake, and in the backyard with the water features. Teacher "in service days" became events are our place. We have access to a large elementary school yard for a track, baseball field, touch football, kickball tournament are just a few of the activities that were held by the kids through out middle school and high school. Nice to have a pool that can accommodate a large group. And an upstairs game room with a pool table and foosball table. Inside option if the weather turns.
                    My son actually requested a water park type slide from his room down into the pool! He thought that would be so cool. Hard no. In retrospect I would eliminate the "deep end" for diving and go with a depth more conducive for water volleyball or paddle games. At some point some one else will have memories. Likely not someone with toddlers. The doors open to the pool deck. Unsafe for little ones. Memories are worth it.

                    Warm weather in the south make it usable 12 months out of the year (except when we get an arctic blast! Big difference from the NE.

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                    • #25
                      Definitely do it. Cost sounds right to me. Outdoor landscaping does tend to be a good ROI for resale but even if it didn't you should do it anyway because you want to and you can afford it. We did a 70k backyard reno in 2019, before our NW was 1M but we don't regret it at all. Turned a literal jungle into an oasis we use constantly. We put in a hot tub as well and use it several times a week year round. The neighborhood kids love it, it's definitely the backyard of choice.

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                      • #26
                        Spent twice that and never regretted it. We got an above ground pool and hot tub and parking for our truck and RV for what we spent, it really transformed our property and we were so lucky to have it during the pandemic. We are also mid 40s and FI with growing kids and figured if that's not what money is for then what is the point?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by wideopenspaces View Post
                          Definitely do it. Cost sounds right to me. Outdoor landscaping does tend to be a good ROI for resale but even if it didn't you should do it anyway because you want to and you can afford it. We did a 70k backyard reno in 2019, before our NW was 1M but we don't regret it at all. Turned a literal jungle into an oasis we use constantly. We put in a hot tub as well and use it several times a week year round. The neighborhood kids love it, it's definitely the backyard of choice.
                          Nice raised planters... killer view.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tim View Post

                            My son actually requested a water park type slide from his room down into the pool! He thought that would be so cool. Hard no. In retrospect I would eliminate the "deep end" for diving and go with a depth more conducive for water volleyball or paddle games. At some point some one else will have memories. Likely not someone with toddlers. The doors open to the pool deck. Unsafe for little ones. Memories are worth it.
                            Your pool sounds amazing. I for the life of me dont understand why builders dont tell you about depth of the pool issues up front. Sure a little depth is fine and I guess useful, but it only takes a short period of time of ownership before you realize you'd rather have 80% shallow end with a more gradual change, maybe one deeper fun area.

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                            • #29
                              One year use for hot tubs- anecdotal experience from friends who have them. They tend to get used more when paired to a pool, but in isolation, they just become maintenance problems. Also, I don't see it as added value on resale, but something to potentially take out.

                              I still think the renovation is a good idea.

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                              • #30
                                Redoing my backyard has been on the to-do list for about 10 years. You guys are inspiring me! OP, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the next best time is to plant it today! Or something like that!

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