Medical Discussion of Coronavirus

[Kamban]

I agree with all of this. However, what will the media report on if they can’t give us our daily ghastly covid numbers?🙄

Another radical idea

Go ahead and sensationalize the number of cases to increase the eyeball views to their website.

But government should mandate that every hospital that accepts Medicare/medicaid and is 501c should also publicly post their admission rate, ICU admission rate and death rate, separated as being vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

Maybe a bot can gather and aggregate that into a common COVID site. And let people see those numbers, especially death among the vaccinated vs unvaccinated and make their own minds. No judgements, just posting raw data for all to see

[Tim]

Another radical idea

Go ahead and sensationalize the number of cases to increase the eyeball views to their website.

But government should mandate that every hospital that accepts Medicare/medicaid and is 501c should also publicly post their admission rate, ICU admission rate and death rate, separated as being vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

Maybe a bot can gather and aggregate that into a common COVID site. And let people see those numbers, especially death among the vaccinated vs unvaccinated and make their own minds. No judgements, just posting raw data for all to see

The messaging is going to change:
*Covid: hospitalizations and deaths (declining) however the statistics can be cherry picked is success. They won’t touch vaccinated or unvaccinated.
*Vaccinated: forget the one shot, 2 shoot, booster or 2nd booster. The signal came out from the CDC Director.
“Up to Date”- This allows complete flexibility for changing the goals and guidelines. Politics leading science. The CDC will fund whatever r&d and studies needed to declare success for vaccines. Hey, political success requires achieving numbers. Whatever it takes. Set the goals that the vaccination messaging was successful. Up to date. Undefined.

[snowcanyon]

We still have unvaccinated, unmasked, untested visitors roaming the hospital in droves.

[StarTrekDoc]

Well, we've bumped to Contingency status guidelines for HCPs due to staffing.

[SLC OB]

We are in a surge, big time. We have tested more in this last week than 5x our typical average!
We have 5% of our total staff out positive with COVID today.
Our vaccination rate is super good, 96% with 4% exemptions and most also boosted.
COVID sucks and is literally sucking the life out of us. Ugh!
Our County Public Health thinks this is not the peak, expects that in 1-2 weeks but who knows.
Stay safe, stay masked, hang in there.

[Tim]

Sometimes I wonder if we are really struggling with “not knowing what we don’t know” regarding this new virus.
What should work doesn’t seem to produce the expected results. Tons of frustration. Don’t fight Mother Nature?

Headlines get attention.
Travel restrictions. Makes sense.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59903785

Australia has been very very aggressive in just about every way. Vaccinations, lockdowns, regulations galore. Did they work? Australia is getting crushed.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/31/1069430504/new-virus-infections-driven-by-omicron-soar-to-record-high-in-australia

Lowering the curve worked. Just not for very long. More battles to fight. Socially, we might be fighting the last battle simply because we didn’t know more.
This might be a real world example of evolution.
Messaged as a mutation, real time evolution of Mother Nature’s process accelerated.

[FIREshrink]

Another radical idea

Go ahead and sensationalize the number of cases to increase the eyeball views to their website.

But government should mandate that every hospital that accepts Medicare/medicaid and is 501c should also publicly post their admission rate, ICU admission rate and death rate, separated as being vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

Maybe a bot can gather and aggregate that into a common COVID site. And let people see those numbers, especially death among the vaccinated vs unvaccinated and make their own minds. No judgements, just posting raw data for all to see

NY Times has been posting hospitalization and death rates vaccinated vs unvaccinated for many months. I don't think it has made any difference because the people who need to get vaccinated aren't reading the NY Times.

[Tim]

NY Times has been posting hospitalization and death rates vaccinated vs unvaccinated for many months. I don't think it has made any difference because the people who need to get vaccinated aren't reading the NY Times.

Link?

[Jaqen Haghar MD]

Our biggest problem has been staffing. Tons of floor nurses and specialty nurses are out with COVID colds, crippling certain areas of the hospital. I still haven’t admitted anyone with respiratory failure from COVID this surge. Admitted a couple of people for other things that happened to test positive for COVID as a side note only. Most, by far, are still going home.

The past day, there has been the slightest let-up in volume, and swabs are coming back negative a bit more frequently. I wonder if we have peaked?

[FIREshrink]

Link?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

scroll down
sorry, it is cases and deaths, not hospitalizations and deaths, vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

[Tim]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

scroll down
sorry, it is cases and deaths, not hospitalizations and deaths, vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

I found that. Thank you.
Again, it’s interesting to parse the data. Particularly using the different criteria. Deaths by age groups are highly in the older categories, as expected. But, that segment is highly vaccinated.
Forgive my ignorance, but the only conclusion I can draw is older people are more likely to die from any illness. I am not qualified for judging the statistical significance. Yes, older people die more frequently than other age groups. Not sure if a third or forth booster would change that.
I would expect both higher deaths for both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Musings only, not knowledge. Immune systems get weaker as one ages.

[billy]

I'm very pro vaccine, but I question the utility of a 4th vaccine booster of the same shot... If it's to protect from variants, shouldn't we be "boosting" with more variant specific vaccines a la the flu shot? (this was in reference to moderna's ceo in the news).

[Kamban]

I'm very pro vaccine, but I question the utility of a 4th vaccine booster of the same shot... If it's to protect from variants, shouldn't we be "boosting" with more variant specific vaccines a la the flu shot? (this was in reference to moderna's ceo in the news).

I would also like a variant specific shot but by the time a variant specific vaccine is made, tested, approved and released and can be given, the time for it has passed.

So I do the next best thing - get a full dose vaccine as a booster than a reduced dose booster. I have also lost faith in Pfizer, due to its tendency to hype things and claim more efficacy that it really has. I might get a full dose Moderna as my 4th vaccine around 6 months from my 3rd vaccine and hope for the best.

[Kamban]

NY Times has been posting hospitalization and death rates vaccinated vs unvaccinated for many months. I don't think it has made any difference because the people who need to get vaccinated aren't reading the NY Times.

Rightly or wrongly, NYT has been considered a leftist leaning publication. It tends to highlight data when it supports it viewpoint and either not publish or bury things when it is in variance with its leanings. Plus it is being a paywall even it its COVID site might be free ( I have no idea).

That is what I said a COVID specific site posting just data with no bias or agenda and let people see. Some might still not believe it and that is a given. And I want specifically people who are sick enough to be hospitalized, in ICU or six feet under, not cases of COVID which can go up in both segments and has overall lesser value.

[zlandar]

Rightly or wrongly, NYT has been considered a leftist leaning publication. It tends to highlight data when it supports it viewpoint and either not publish or bury things when it is in variance with its leanings. Plus it is being a paywall even it its COVID site might be free ( I have no idea).

That is what I said a COVID specific site posting just data with no bias or agenda and let people see. Some might still not believe it and that is a given. And I want specifically people who are sick enough to be hospitalized, in ICU or six feet under, not cases of COVID which can go up in both segments and has overall lesser value.

Article on WSJ that cases of positive covid are going up but the demand for vents is flat in the UK. It's behind a paywall:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron...rs-11641560402

I'm linking the source data from the UK site:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deta...ited%20Kingdom

Covid admissions and inpatients are up so there are more people getting sick (first two charts). Last chart is the number of intubated patients and that has been flat. Question is how many of those hospitalized patients deteriorate and end up needing to be intubated. I don't think it will be anywhere near delta but the sheer number of people with omicron may cause a bump in intubated patients.