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  • Originally posted by Perry Ict View Post

    Exactly. Whether more restrictions/lockdowns will have the intended effect is questionable anyway; instead we should encourage more people to get vaccinated and go on living our lives.
    Prevention- vaccine
    Diagnosis- testing
    Treatment- therapeutics
    Basic health taught in 7th grade for just about any health problem. All the other are band aids for any other short comings. We are wasting so much efforts on non-productive efforts to fill the gaps. Placing blame and taking credit is non-productive. Healthcare is non-judgemental. Our policy should be on improving each of the three pillars. I really do not blame either party for the pandemic. I wish they would focus on each of the components. 100% compliance on anything is impossible.
    That is why we have prisons. And look how effective that is for Covid.

    This might work for therapeutics. Maybe not. Quantities insufficient for mass availability. the goal is to keep people out of the hospital.
    https://www.ktnv.com/news/covid-trea...oval-this-week
    Last edited by Tim; 12-22-2021, 08:19 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Kamban View Post
      You will get COVID-22 anyway, whether you are vaccinated or not.
      I think this should be the messaging going forward. Workplaces open, schools open, masks optional.

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      • Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

        I think this should be the messaging going forward. Workplaces open, schools open, masks optional.
        This is my holiday table discussion, with the caveat that flexibility is required should things take a turn for the worse in terms of mortality.

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        • It's interesting how Trump recently went on a show with live audience, and was essentially extolling the virtues of vaccination, taking credit for them, encouraging others to take them (kinda), and even confirmed he got the booster (with some boos from the crowd).

          Seems like a complete 180 from last year, in terms of messaging, but in a good way. Perhaps this will motivate more hesitant people to finally get the jab(s).

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          • Originally posted by xraygoggles View Post
            It's interesting how Trump recently went on a show with live audience, and was essentially extolling the virtues of vaccination, taking credit for them, encouraging others to take them (kinda), and even confirmed he got the booster (with some boos from the crowd).

            Seems like a complete 180 from last year, in terms of messaging, but in a good way. Perhaps this will motivate more hesitant people to finally get the jab(s).
            People do not like Trump for Trump. They like when he says what they want to hear. If he changes his tune his followers will tune out.

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            • Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

              I think this should be the messaging going forward. Workplaces open, schools open, masks optional.
              The whole closing borders is theatre. Just like thermal scanning.

              The shut downs Europe is doing is simply because they have NO SLACK in their infrastructure. This maybe mild, but with a surge x10; the sheer numbers will overwhelm. ED is going to take the brunt of this wave, not so much the hospitals.

              Public policy:
              -Vaccines for school and workplace - per policy written locally.
              -Stay at home if you have symptoms. Don't come to work/school



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              • Originally posted by Lordosis View Post

                People do not like Trump for Trump. They like when he says what they want to hear. If he changes his tune his followers will tune out.
                Most hear what they want to hear. Agree that a dislike of Trump for most is not even many that agree with policy is a personal dislike. Never dawned on me that Trump was against the vaccines. I did interpret that he was opposed to mandates. Two different messages, depends on what ones hears.

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                • Originally posted by StarTrekDoc View Post

                  The whole closing borders is theatre. Just like thermal scanning.
                  So are the various restrictions that start at some point in the future. The latest example is Chicago’s vaccine mandate for local businesses that starts on 1/3. Things are so serious that they’re going to wait 2 weeks. Makes no sense.

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                  • "The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday authorized the first pill for Covid-19, offering a highly effective defense against severe illness that will arrive as the country endures another major surge of the pandemic.

                    The drug, developed by Pfizer and known as Paxlovid, is authorized for Covid patients age 12 and over who are vulnerable to becoming severely ill because they are older or have medical conditions such as obesity or diabetes. Tens of millions of Americans — including both vaccinated and unvaccinated people — will be eligible if they get infected with the virus. The treatment could be available within a few days."

                    Not really sure how much this will have an effect tbh. Seems like vax are much easier, cheaper (free), and readily available.

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                    • Originally posted by xraygoggles View Post
                      "The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday authorized the first pill for Covid-19, offering a highly effective defense against severe illness that will arrive as the country endures another major surge of the pandemic.

                      The drug, developed by Pfizer and known as Paxlovid, is authorized for Covid patients age 12 and over who are vulnerable to becoming severely ill because they are older or have medical conditions such as obesity or diabetes. Tens of millions of Americans — including both vaccinated and unvaccinated people — will be eligible if they get infected with the virus. The treatment could be available within a few days."

                      Not really sure how much this will have an effect tbh. Seems like vax are much easier, cheaper (free), and readily available.
                      Just another line of defense.

                      This is tamiflu -- just a little better - hopefully

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                      • Originally posted by xraygoggles View Post
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                        Not really sure how much this will have an effect tbh. Seems like vax are much easier, cheaper (free), and readily available.

                        Plenty of people in the country including in my neck of woods are anti-Covid vaccine but will happily accept monoclonals and likely any antiviral pills. Just look at Joe Rogan, Aaron Rogers, etc.

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                        • Originally posted by Sampter View Post


                          Plenty of people in the country including in my neck of woods are anti-Covid vaccine but will happily accept monoclonals and likely any antiviral pills. Just look at Joe Rogan, Aaron Rogers, etc.

                          Can our health system sustain the enormous cost of such pills and MAB if this virus goes round and round for months or even years.

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                          • Originally posted by Kamban View Post


                            Can our health system sustain the enormous cost of such pills and MAB if this virus goes round and round for months or even years.
                            Not sure if the CEO of our medical group can stand a pay cut from his previous $25 million dollar compensation package, but somehow I bet he can make due.

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                            • Originally posted by Kamban View Post


                              Can our health system sustain the enormous cost of such pills and MAB if this virus goes round and round for months or even years.
                              Kind of like that new Alzheimer's drug that Medicare blamed for their premium increase.

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                              • Originally posted by HikingDO View Post

                                Not sure if the CEO of our medical group can stand a pay cut from his previous $25 million dollar compensation package, but somehow I bet he can make due.
                                Not if he's spending $25,000,000.01 per year.

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