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  • be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

    who would that person be?

    my brain initially went to the Rock

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    • Originally posted by Zaphod View Post

      That was the initial idea, which is dumb and no question of that. Its now tribal and signaling, and swallowing that lie for tribal reasons.
      Originally posted by xraygoggles View Post

      No, I don't think that's the reason why. It's more political/tribal at this point. My team is anti-vax/mandate vs pro.
      I guess I should have said that fear that it will harm them is the stated reason. Most don't really think it through that much. But if you ask an anti-vaxxer, "So, why don't you get vaxxed?", the vast majority of the time I get some drivel about how "it was rushed" and "we don't know the long-term effects". That's nearly 100% of the time in my personal experience (I have never really encountered those 5G nutters one hears about in the wild). Now if you try to probe into those reasons further, they will just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore you, because those arguments are easily overcome and they would have no response. And the reason why they react that way is the tribalism. So, on that part we agree.

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      • Originally posted by AR View Post
        I have never really encountered those 5G nutters one hears about in the wild). Now if you try to probe into those reasons further, they will just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore you, because those arguments are easily overcome and they would have no response.
        I wish I could say the same on the 5G.

        I just keep reminding myself that I can't reason somebody out of something that they didn't reason themselves into.

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        • Originally posted by jacoavlu View Post
          be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

          who would that person be?

          my brain initially went to the Rock
          But he already injects his body with soooooo much other stuff...

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          • Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

            But he already injects his body with soooooo much other stuff...
            lol you’re making my point!

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            • Originally posted by Shant View Post

              I wish I could say the same on the 5G.

              I just keep reminding myself that I can't reason somebody out of something that they didn't reason themselves into.
              Thats how you know theyre FOS, if it really gave us 5G or god willing excellent wifi, everyone would be lining up for it tomorrow.

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              • Originally posted by jacoavlu View Post
                be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

                who would that person be?

                my brain initially went to the Rock
                santa

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                • Originally posted by G View Post

                  santa
                  Santa the original superspreader?

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                  • Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

                    Santa the original superspreader?
                    Santa, repentant

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                    • Originally posted by G View Post

                      Santa, repentant
                      Does that mean Santa is switching political parties?
                      Does that mean Santa will become an Independent and will become a Supreme Court Justice and will ACTUALLY vote based on facts and not vote upon party lines ?
                      The problem is this vaccine has become politicized to the Nth degree. AND the political participants reverse course and repent. AND then, all are expected to vote 100% along party lines. Many view the mandates being one of many changes that they view as only ONE of many changes that they view as completely changing our society.
                      Not small changes, but hundreds of significant changes. Maybe the changes are needed. The emotional resistance to the mandates is not based on science, it is based on the polarization that we live in. I really wish that Covid had not been politicized. Actually, I wish that many of the issues had not been politicized and problems identified and solved. Vaccines and therapeutics are good. Period. The politics have linked THIS vaccine to advocating for at least 100 other interests.

                      The only question I have philosophically, is where personal responsibility for protecting others stops. Maybe a vaccine, maybe a booster, maybe a mask, maybe social distancing, maybe a home test once a week etc...... The end game and segregating the health issue from politics would be helpful. Right now, it is a political issue.

                      For sure, no one knows the answer. Stop using it as a political issue. Unfortunately, since it is the #1 issue, that is unrealistic.
                      That is what I want from Santa.

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                      • Originally posted by jacoavlu View Post
                        be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

                        who would that person be?

                        my brain initially went to the Rock
                        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor...140046045.html
                        “We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

                        Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21

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                        • I'd be surprised that a lawsuit isn't filed to put that on ice by close of business today.

                          This type of broad public mandate should be coming from the public health sector and legislative in order to really hold water if no true emergency is in place.....

                          emergency defined as something like health system at risk of collapse like it was in NYC March 2020. It isn't right now and getting ahead via executive branch order is not warranted.

                          That said there's a definite holiday spike ongoing. We have been at ~500 cases a day here and last three days 1000+ cases and rising. That's not omicron. Thats delta hitting people living life and not making good choices over the holiday weekend

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                          • Originally posted by Tim View Post

                            https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor...140046045.html
                            “We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

                            Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21
                            larping. why not a vaccine mandate to maintain eligibility for any gov assistance?

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                            • Originally posted by jacoavlu View Post

                              larping. why not a vaccine mandate to maintain eligibility for any gov assistance?
                              I learned a new word today. Thank you. Slow learner here.

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                              • Originally posted by Tim View Post

                                https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor...140046045.html
                                “We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

                                Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21
                                While this policy will almost certainly not hold in court, it's much more refreshing to see a political figure actually try to do something to prevent the spread.

                                On the flip side: there are GOP pols who are passing laws which allow folks who were fired from their job for refusing to take the vax and previously uneligible for unemployment benefits to be given an exemption? I can't even begin to fathom the rationale behind that type of muddleheaded maneuver...

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