Medical Discussion of Coronavirus

[Shant]

I have never really encountered those 5G nutters one hears about in the wild). Now if you try to probe into those reasons further, they will just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore you, because those arguments are easily overcome and they would have no response.

I wish I could say the same on the 5G.

I just keep reminding myself that I can't reason somebody out of something that they didn't reason themselves into.

[CordMcNally]

be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

who would that person be?

my brain initially went to the Rock

But he already injects his body with soooooo much other stuff...

[jacoavlu]

But he already injects his body with soooooo much other stuff...

lol you’re making my point!

[Zaphod]

I wish I could say the same on the 5G.

I just keep reminding myself that I can't reason somebody out of something that they didn't reason themselves into.

Thats how you know theyre FOS, if it really gave us 5G or god willing excellent wifi, everyone would be lining up for it tomorrow.

[G]

be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

who would that person be?

my brain initially went to the Rock

santa

[CordMcNally]

santa

Santa the original superspreader?

[G]

Santa the original superspreader?

Santa, repentant

[Tim]

Santa, repentant

Does that mean Santa is switching political parties?
Does that mean Santa will become an Independent and will become a Supreme Court Justice and will ACTUALLY vote based on facts and not vote upon party lines ?
The problem is this vaccine has become politicized to the Nth degree. AND the political participants reverse course and repent. AND then, all are expected to vote 100% along party lines. Many view the mandates being one of many changes that they view as only ONE of many changes that they view as completely changing our society.
Not small changes, but hundreds of significant changes. Maybe the changes are needed. The emotional resistance to the mandates is not based on science, it is based on the polarization that we live in. I really wish that Covid had not been politicized. Actually, I wish that many of the issues had not been politicized and problems identified and solved. Vaccines and therapeutics are good. Period. The politics have linked THIS vaccine to advocating for at least 100 other interests.

The only question I have philosophically, is where personal responsibility for protecting others stops. Maybe a vaccine, maybe a booster, maybe a mask, maybe social distancing, maybe a home test once a week etc...... The end game and segregating the health issue from politics would be helpful. Right now, it is a political issue.

For sure, no one knows the answer. Stop using it as a political issue. Unfortunately, since it is the #1 issue, that is unrealistic.
That is what I want from Santa.

[Tim]

be great to get the most broadly liked and respected apolitical person as vaccine spokesperson. to deliver an honest message separated from government. not filled with hopium. no negativity. put past behind us. facts delivered honestly

who would that person be?

my brain initially went to the Rock

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor-vaccine-mandates-required-nyc-140046045.html

“We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21

[StarTrekDoc]

I'd be surprised that a lawsuit isn't filed to put that on ice by close of business today.

This type of broad public mandate should be coming from the public health sector and legislative in order to really hold water if no true emergency is in place.....

emergency defined as something like health system at risk of collapse like it was in NYC March 2020. It isn't right now and getting ahead via executive branch order is not warranted.

That said there's a definite holiday spike ongoing. We have been at ~500 cases a day here and last three days 1000+ cases and rising. That's not omicron. Thats delta hitting people living life and not making good choices over the holiday weekend

[jacoavlu]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor-vaccine-mandates-required-nyc-140046045.html

“We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21

larping. why not a vaccine mandate to maintain eligibility for any gov assistance?

[Tim]

larping. why not a vaccine mandate to maintain eligibility for any gov assistance?

I learned a new word today. Thank you. Slow learner here.

[xraygoggles]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mayor-vaccine-mandates-required-nyc-140046045.html

“We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said. “All private-sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of Dec. 27.”

Like this? Let any state and local official use the word "We have decided" and kick people out of work. Easy. Right? Just use the word "We" and forget about legislators or courts. Very apolitical since "We have decided." Geez. Is there no limit on mayors or any government power? 12/27/21

While this policy will almost certainly not hold in court, it's much more refreshing to see a political figure actually try to do something to prevent the spread.

On the flip side: there are GOP pols who are passing laws which allow folks who were fired from their job for refusing to take the vax and previously uneligible for unemployment benefits to be given an exemption? I can't even begin to fathom the rationale behind that type of muddleheaded maneuver...

[CordMcNally]

While this policy will almost certainly not hold in court, it's much more refreshing to see a political figure actually try to do something to prevent the spread.

Government overreach is never refreshing.

[xraygoggles]

Government overreach is never refreshing.

What about underreach?