Medical Discussion of Coronavirus

[Lordosis]

Looks like NYC city healthcare should be fine with the mask mandates. The schools appear to be exempted (at least temporarily). New York outside of NYC might be a different question.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2021-09-27/new-york-hospitals-face-staff-shortages-as-vaccine-mandate-kicks-in

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-09-27/federal-judge-delays-vaccine-mandate-for-new-york-city-teachers?rec-type=sailthru

What is lost in the shuffle is some of these were praised last year (hopefully heathcare heroes) and now they are terminated as (as mandate violators) that have previously had Covid and question the consideration of prior infection. With a 15% unvaccinated rate, something does not sit right with denying them unemployment benefits with the generous approach for benefits for Covid issues that are not related to vaccines. PPE was a problem that some marched through. Maybe Lordosis can give an eyewitness assessment of the cost of this benefit. Canning 15% of healthcare workers seems to require calling out the national guard again. No idea how soon the terminations will happen. I wonder why teachers were able to avoid the pain. Well funded legal representatives would be my guess.

We are paying a 15% bonus if you are flexed to a new department. We shut down janitorial services to non clinical areas. Our cafeteria is closed. Those employees are being repurposed. Elective procedures are being slowed and preparing to stop if needed.

In the outpatient world we are a little better off but if someone is out there are no backups. Some of the other offices lost several people and will be hurting.

[Tim]

We are paying a 15% bonus if you are flexed to a new department. We shut down janitorial services to non clinical areas. Our cafeteria is closed. Those employees are being repurposed. Elective procedures are being slowed and preparing to stop if needed.

In the outpatient world we are a little better off but if someone is out there are no backups. Some of the other offices lost several people and will be hurting.

Supply/demand will probably ripple through to the next batch of new hires graduates. And then you might find your value has grown! Silver lining? Recruiting just got that much harder. Times they are a changing. Frustration might lead to voluntary retirements increasing. From an organization standpoint, recovering from a 15% staffing loss will take much more effort than the terminations. The best case is some get vaccinated and get rehired. I wish you the best.

Just noted that the schools have been reinstated in NYC. Something like 28,000 employees might be on the block. Close to 20%.
DeBlasio responded that they have plenty of substitutes lined up.

[StarTrekDoc]

Interesting to watch the compliance rate and aftermath on these initial deadlines.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/novant-health-unvaccinated-employees/index.html

Schools following suit too now. San Diego just made it mandate Dec 20.

There will be true believers to the cause and several hundred seeking new employment models.

It's a huge improvement and hopefully will get us over the hump as more employers adopt this once through the initial Healthcare/School sector

[Lordosis]

Interesting to watch the compliance rate and aftermath on these initial deadlines.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/novant-health-unvaccinated-employees/index.html

Schools following suit too now. San Diego just made it mandate Dec 20.

There will be true believers to the cause and several hundred seeking new employment models.

It's a huge improvement and hopefully will get us over the hump as more employers adopt this once through the initial Healthcare/School sector

There are a lot of people out there that do not work. Or do not work for an entity who will mandate vaccines.

[StarTrekDoc]

Lordosis - True. I can see the Fed getting further into it (as a clear overreach IMHO) by withholding funds like tax credits if this extends another fiscal year -- that'll motivate a bit more people by hitting their subsidies.

[Tim]

Lordosis - True. I can see the Fed getting further into it (as a clear overreach IMHO) by withholding funds like tax credits if this extends another fiscal year -- that'll motivate a bit more people by hitting their subsidies.

"Nearly 20 states have announced COVID-19 vaccine requirements for government employees as the delta variant brings on a rise in coronavirus cases.
Under most governors’ requirements, state employees can choose to undergo regular virus testing in place of getting vaccinated. However, that is not an option for patient-facing health care workers in New York or state workers in Illinois, Oregon, Rhode Island and Washington.
Here are the states that have taken action to impose vaccine requirements for government employees."

The legality of the federal requirement of healthcare workers is probably the most serious legal issue.
The court case that they are relying on seem to be a state requirement, not federal. It remains to be seen if the medicare/OSHA path being used will actually stand up.
The state and employer right to mandate vaccination is a different question.

Lawyers are making a 'killing" on this. Both sides!

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/567581-these-states-are-requiring-covid-19-vaccines-or-testing-for-government

[eyecandy]

Pfizer Covid booster yesterday. Had little to no symptoms outside a sore arm on the first two. Getting a bit rocked today - chills where I can't seem to get warm, visiting the toilet often, headache - looks to be a Netflix in bed day. How did others do with their third dose?

Also, are you guys mixing/matching pfizer/moderna, or sticking with the same?

[xraygoggles]

The data out so far about various cities, hospitals, companies etc. mandating vaccines for their employees has been reassuring. Lot of empty threats & paper tigers: very few people actually follow through on their threats of quitting/leaving a job or state. Compliance has been increasing at a rapid rate - good to see.

Now CA will mandate all schoolchildren be vaccinated, once approved by FDA. Wonder how that will fare.

[Hatton]

Pfizer Covid booster yesterday. Had little to no symptoms outside a sore arm on the first two. Getting a bit rocked today - chills where I can't seem to get warm, visiting the toilet often, headache - looks to be a Netflix in bed day. How did others do with their third dose?

Also, are you guys mixing/matching pfizer/moderna, or sticking with the same?

I did pfizer x2 then Moderna booster. I read about better antibodies with Moderna. The 3rd shot put me in bed for a day.

[StarTrekDoc]

The data out so far about various cities, hospitals, companies etc. mandating vaccines for their employees has been reassuring. Lot of empty threats & paper tigers: very few people actually follow through on their threats of quitting/leaving a job or state. Compliance has been increasing at a rapid rate - good to see.

Now CA will mandate all schoolchildren be vaccinated, once approved by FDA. Wonder how that will fare.

98-99% compliance which was expected as few 'true believers' with enough conviction to jeopardize their career. That's true for healthcare and somewhat in teachers (at least public). It's going to be a lot harder in more transient mobile work forces like food/beverage and retail.

eyecandy - most have stayed within class largely because of the CDC only approving Pfizer #3 booster (not to be confused with #3 complete initial regimen high risk immune compromised people). Side Effects have been varying much like initial doses.

[Rando]

Had Pfizer #3 last weekend and sailed through it, just a little arm soreness typical for any vaccine. I don't know whether to be happy I had no side effects or unhappy that I didn't have a stronger immune reaction.

[Lordosis]

Pfizer Covid booster yesterday. Had little to no symptoms outside a sore arm on the first two. Getting a bit rocked today - chills where I can't seem to get warm, visiting the toilet often, headache - looks to be a Netflix in bed day. How did others do with their third dose?

Also, are you guys mixing/matching pfizer/moderna, or sticking with the same?

Got mine yesterday as well. Pfizer#3. Sore arm and tired but I don't think I am tired from the shot. My 2 year old is not transitioning to a bed well...

[F0017S0]

Astra Zeneca trial subject, booster zero. In the immortal words of Beavis and Butthead, the have been fart knockers...

[Tim]

Moderna#1+ #2 mild arm soreness only
Pfizer #3 zero, not even sore. Maybe it didn’t work.

[Tim]

The data out so far about various cities, hospitals, companies etc. mandating vaccines for their employees has been reassuring. Lot of empty threats & paper tigers: very few people actually follow through on their threats of quitting/leaving a job or state. Compliance has been increasing at a rapid rate - good to see.

Now CA will mandate all schoolchildren be vaccinated, once approved by FDA. Wonder how that will fare.

This is a messed up process.

• FDA approves the vaccine 10/14-10/15 meeting
• CDC the has a second shot for recommendations. Not scheduled.
• Entities decide whether or not to adopt CDC recommendations.

Leading science, not following science.
Actually, give each teacher enough vaccines, jab the upper arm, push the needle and pull it out. Kids are like cattle, round em up and vaccinate em! Done by first period. Ask fo forgiveness later. What could go wrong?
A clear efficient process, vaccinate kids.
Done be noon. What’s the FDA gonna do? Takeover California? Geez.