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Originally posted by billy View Post
Case fatality is ~1.6/100, not 1/200. 673k deaths in 42 million cases. Why do people keep forgetting to turn it into a percentage if going per 100 cases? Granted certain populations its less.
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Originally posted by VentAlarm View PostA study just came out saying that the risk of only myocarditis is 4x the risk of hospitalization from Covid in healthy young males.
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Originally posted by Shant View Post
But the risk of myocarditis from COVID is still ~100x the risk of myocarditis from the COVID vaccine. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2780548
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Originally posted by VentAlarm View Post
Also, I think it is intellectually dishonest to use a 100 year old precedent evaluating a mandated vaccine on something with a case fatality rate of 1/3 in a small, densely populated area as compared to something with a case fatality rate of ~1/200, probably closer to 1/1000-1/10,000 in certain populations across an entire massively geographically diverse country.
There is a benefit of getting to herd immunity and that's the purpose. Delta clearly showing we need a higher rate and immunization is way forward to protect. Kids and 40s yo in hospitals with no good reason being there.
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Originally posted by burritos View Post
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Originally posted by Shant View PostCan you please link the other study but I suspect you are comparing apples to oranges (risk of myocarditis is not the same as risk of hospitalization due to myocarditis etc).
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Originally posted by VentAlarm View Post
What in the world are you talking about? The above case is the SC deciding that a law was constitutional. They weren’t legislating. As above, my primary concern is an executive branch legislating with a simple utterance. You can debate whether or not a vaccine mandate in this setting is constitutional, and certainly we will hear about it in the SC; my concern is that it seems like a massive overreach of presidential authority. This is literally why congress exists.
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Originally posted by Kamban View PostAs to no mandate, you know what happens if there is no mandate in healthcare. One system will not mandate it because it will cause depletion of staff to the competing health system because they don't have the mandate. The other system will also not do it because the first one is not doing it. The patients and workers in both system will benefit in the end if all had mandate but no one wants to be the first
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Originally posted by VentAlarm View Post
Also, I think it is intellectually dishonest to use a 100 year old precedent evaluating a mandated vaccine on something with a case fatality rate of 1/3 in a small, densely populated area as compared to something with a case fatality rate of ~1/200, probably closer to 1/1000-1/10,000 in certain populations across an entire massively geographically diverse country.
But anyway, I agree that the SCOTUS precedent is not reliable, at least as applies to a society wide mandate.
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