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  • Originally posted by VagabondMD View Post

    I visited my primary care doc last week, who is an ID specialist. He told me that he has a young patient in the ICU with a balloon pump from myocarditis, a few weeks after the vaccine. Purely anecdotal, of course, but he is concerned that it is from the vaccine.
    It would make sense and we talked about this a while back. What happens when the vaccine gets into the bloodstream, and is taken up by cardiac tissue, and the cardiac cells start expressing and pumping out viral antigens? It’s going to get attacked by the immune system. I’m glad it’s rare, but if the vaccine leaks out of the muscle (and some of it will) it would make sense to have collateral damage sometimes.

    There could, of course, just be the classic autoimmune processes that can occur rarely from any vaccine too.

    Hopefully the good it does, greatly outweighs the risk... which can never be zero.

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    • Originally posted by Jaqen Haghar MD View Post
      The CDC lost a huge amount of credibility and respect during all of this. They pretty much revealed themselves to be a political mouthpiece for whoever, when it came to COVID policies.

      I’ve still been wearing my novelty “show mask” when out, where required, as I’ve done for the last 9 months, but here, businesses are quickly dropping all mask requirements. The gym dropped all mask requirements, the grocery store chains have now dropped them, going by the honors system for vaccination. Restaurants and bars haven’t enforced masks at all for for anyone, for probably 5 months.

      It is absolutely packed here also. With all the permanent relocations, and now Covid vacationers looking to get out of the more restrictive states and get a break, we’ve been slammed for months.

      I still wear my “real mask” at work, but I think I’ve only seen one mild Covid case in the past week or two. Down from 15-20 per day during our peaks. It’s been extremely busy volume-wise due to the population increase and the lack of fear of getting out and doing things.

      The state was lax with restrictions during the entire pandemic, and Armageddon never came. Our biggest problem was losing staff to lockdown states in crisis. They just couldn’t resist the travel bonuses.
      Yes, CDC and numerous others (media, politicians, social media companies etc). This crisis was unfortunately politicized by so many figures and institutions across various issues, and it has become so apparent in retrospect that it's embarrassing. Take another example, the lab leak theory. Not only was it mocked by some as a conspiracy theory, it was literally banned and censored (in our great country of "free speech") until recently. Now, as more and more information is being looked at, it's being seriously investigated, and media companies and others are trying to cover for themselves, some even doing stealth edits on their previous "fact checks" that "debunk" the lab leak theory. Shameful!

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      • Isn't the Wuhan Institute of Virology known for their coronavirus research? This is a big limb I'm going out on here now but don't we all have a pretty good idea how this is going to end? I also don't believe that it was intentional.

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        • Originally posted by Perry Ict View Post

          Yes, CDC and numerous others (media, politicians, social media companies etc). This crisis was unfortunately politicized by so many figures and institutions across various issues, and it has become so apparent in retrospect that it's embarrassing. Take another example, the lab leak theory. Not only was it mocked by some as a conspiracy theory, it was literally banned and censored (in our great country of "free speech") until recently. Now, as more and more information is being looked at, it's being seriously investigated, and media companies and others are trying to cover for themselves, some even doing stealth edits on their previous "fact checks" that "debunk" the lab leak theory. Shameful!
          Well, there’s that. The point of our media in this country is not to deliver news, it’s to influence perception.

          It doesn’t take a genius to know there is at least circumstantial evidence that a major, deadly, novel coronavirus outbreak, just outside of a bio-weapons lab that studies coronaviruses, followed by a massive Chinese coverup campaign and expulsion of foreign journalists is at least reasonably suspicious for an accident.... but it didn’t fit the reporting agencies approved political narrative or goals at that time.

          China tried to shut down the outbreak of information hard, from the beginning...

          ....And I’ll let you in on one of Stalin’s management secrets.... not all of those doctors who died of COVID early on over there died of the infection. Some demonstrated by their actions and knowledge, that they had to go.

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          • I am not a conspiracy theory believer and don't believe in UFO ( even while Pentagon does)

            But it smelled rotten when they blamed the exotic meat market and bats and what not for this viral outbreak when clearly there was a bioweapons lab in the city doing research on coronavirus and some people in that lab either got sick or died. Instead of investigating it and taking adequate measures China tried to suppress it and WHO even came to their rescue and support. And unfortunately by the time things became clear it got out of hand and millions have died or have become disabled for life. Thanks to out divided country we will never accept the etiology of the outbreak.

            My bigger concern is smallpox. It is "officially" stored only in the CDC in Atlanta and in Russia. But I am fairly certain that in addition to bioweapons labs in these two countries the virus is also stored in other nations like China, India, UK and other nations that don't want to be caught flat footed in a biological warfare where they have given up their bioweapons to just two countries. And when an outbreak occurs, they will try and suppress it until it is too late.

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            • Originally posted by Kamban View Post
              I am not a conspiracy theory believer and don't believe in UFO ( even while Pentagon does)

              But it smelled rotten when they blamed the exotic meat market and bats and what not for this viral outbreak when clearly there was a bioweapons lab in the city doing research on coronavirus and some people in that lab either got sick or died. Instead of investigating it and taking adequate measures China tried to suppress it and WHO even came to their rescue and support. And unfortunately by the time things became clear it got out of hand and millions have died or have become disabled for life. Thanks to out divided country we will never accept the etiology of the outbreak.

              My bigger concern is smallpox. It is "officially" stored only in the CDC in Atlanta and in Russia. But I am fairly certain that in addition to bioweapons labs in these two countries the virus is also stored in other nations like China, India, UK and other nations that don't want to be caught flat footed in a biological warfare where they have given up their bioweapons to just two countries. And when an outbreak occurs, they will try and suppress it until it is too late.
              The fact that they were so quick to say that it did not come from the lab and now our current administration is doing an about face tells me that there is likely overwhelming evidence to suggest it did come from the lab. My guess is that they will still let quite a bit of time pass before they ever confirm (or if they ever confirm) the origins to try to save some face.

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              • Originally posted by Kamban View Post
                My bigger concern is smallpox. It is "officially" stored only in the CDC in Atlanta and in Russia. But I am fairly certain that in addition to bioweapons labs in these two countries the virus is also stored in other nations like China, India, UK and other nations that don't want to be caught flat footed in a biological warfare where they have given up their bioweapons to just two countries. And when an outbreak occurs, they will try and suppress it until it is too late.
                Agreed. Like most Gen X and later med studs, we briefly talked about smallpox, but I didn't really understand it until I read "Smallpox, the death of a disease." Every time I consider the possibility of it waking, I am filled with sadness.

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                • Originally posted by G View Post

                  Agreed. Like most Gen X and later med studs, we briefly talked about smallpox, but I didn't really understand it until I read "Smallpox, the death of a disease." Every time I consider the possibility of it waking, I am filled with sadness.
                  I am old enough to have gotten the double scar marks of the small pox vaccine given in India. My wife has one only scar from the vaccine since they felt that two areas being scarred was not needed. My daughter has no protection against the disease.

                  The sad thing is that we are moving away from the nuclear bombs and conventional warfare with expensive fighter jets and colossal ships to guerrilla warfare, cyber warfare, space war with disruption of communications and biological warfare. In addition to designer viruses and bacteria, countries are testing and storing conventional bioweapons like bacillus anthracis, Yersina pestis, Variola and other exotic infections. Things will get ugly in the future.

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                  • If Covid was being studied as a bioweapon, it was a really weak bio-weapon. I hate to say this but I don't think it would be that difficult to come up with a virus that could kill the majority of the human population -- one that spreads asymptomatically and then kills later by causing cancer or an autoimmune response. Covid does not make sense as a weapon. The most sensible reason to be studying coronaviruses is because of the several close-call coronavirus pandemics we had before this.

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                    • I purposely avoided spending time on anything more than what I could learn for prevention/treatment so I’m surprised people actually entertained the idea that it didn’t originate from a lab. I do not believe it was intentional but would put money on the origin.

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                      • Originally posted by Dusn View Post
                        If Covid was being studied as a bioweapon, it was a really weak bio-weapon. I hate to say this but I don't think it would be that difficult to come up with a virus that could kill the majority of the human population -- one that spreads asymptomatically and then kills later by causing cancer or an autoimmune response. Covid does not make sense as a weapon. The most sensible reason to be studying coronaviruses is because of the several close-call coronavirus pandemics we had before this.
                        Like pharma development you study 1000 compounds to get one to the market. I think this virus was one of that thousand that would not have made it as a bioweapon but was worthy of being studied. It escaped accidentally from the lab due to poor safety precautions in handling and poor quality control measures in place. It was not an intentional leak of the virus on to the unsuspecting masses. The reason it has cost so many lives is due to active suppression of information.

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                        • Smallpox would be horrible now since no one much younger than me has been vaccinated. Horrible disease. I wrote a college term paper on it.

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                          • Originally posted by Hatton View Post
                            Smallpox would be horrible now since no one much younger than me has been vaccinated. Horrible disease. I wrote a college term paper on it.
                            I was in charge of getting 500+ Marines vaccinated against smallpox before deploying to Iraq and I still have flashbacks of all the whining about it I had to listen to. If smallpox was reintroduced I would imagine we could very quickly rollout the vaccine but after seeing the general public’s complaining about mild s/e from the covid vaccines I can’t imagine what the complaints about the smallpox vaccine would be like.

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                            • Does anyone think the plexiglass in the grocery stores is ever coming down?

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                              • Originally posted by pierre View Post
                                Does anyone think the plexiglass in the grocery stores is ever coming down?
                                Another one of those things that looks good but doesn’t really do anything. Like, they’re trying to show they care by implementing a superficial measure with no real benefit.

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