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  • Originally posted by Tim View Post

    They never tested. At the scene, the officer (from what I remember) said he did not appear under any influence. End of any tests. The cause was as you indicated from the law enforcement investigation. I was under the impression that they did "no tests" at all. Judgement call based on the original officer.
    I obviously had no involvement in his care but he almost assuredly was activated as a trauma at the hospital. Pretty much every trauma activation ends up getting a urine drug screen and alcohol level at some point. There can always be exceptions and I wouldn't be shocked if those weren't done in this particular situation.

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    • The great thing about Tesla’s is that Tesla records so much info about the car. So they’ll know how many seat belts were buckled, how many seat pressure sensors were activated, how far the accelerator pedal was pressed, if autopilot was engaged or not, etc. Hopefully they’ll be able to recover all that info and clarify along with investigators.

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      • Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

        I obviously had no involvement in his care but he almost assuredly was activated as a trauma at the hospital. Pretty much every trauma activation ends up getting a urine drug screen and alcohol level at some point. There can always be exceptions and I wouldn't be shocked if those weren't done in this particular situation.
        Did not seem to make it to the investigation.
        https://www.tmz.com/2021/02/25/why-t...n-after-crash/

        Single car crash, it's none of my business.

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        • Dr William Varner, the anesthesiologist who died in the crash, had been listed as my anesthesiologist for my ENT surgery that I had on 4-21-2021 in The Woodlands. He was quietly replaced by another anesthesiologist. His Staff looked in shock. I didn’t know him personally but I work for the same large multi hospital group. Very sad event.

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          • These are my thoughts

            1. The anesthetist did not purchase FSD for that vehicle. So no autonomous driving.

            2. Autopilot will not engage without clear lane marking ( contrary to some dubious internet videos) and there was no lane marking in that subdivision. Also it engages only after you go past 18 mph. The car traveled too fast in a short distance.I don't think AP would have done it in that neighborhood. Elon says AP was not engaged.

            3. If both the front passenger and rear passenger were belted it means the driver did not crawl out to the back. These people are not the type to have computer skills to defeat the Tesla AP technology. I doubt they put a weight in the driver seat and belted it and somehow drove the car.

            4. If there was a party and drinks were involved I suspect there was a driver in the front and the doc and engineer came along for the ride. Due to a combination of not realizing the power and torque of the car and being inebriated the accelerator was floored and the car too off and slammed into the tree. Maybe the driver was saved by the airbags and crawled out and tried to seek help but the car caught fire in the meantime. Something does not add up with no driver and two other people belted in other seats. Tesla will have sensor info on the weight distribution in various seats and know if there was a driver who sat and was seat-belted. Let us see what they come up with.


            Last edited by Kamban; 04-23-2021, 07:09 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Kamban View Post
              These are my thoughts

              1. The anesthetist did not purchase FSD for that vehicle. So no autonomous driving.

              2. Autopilot will not engage without clear lane marking ( contrary to some dubious internet videos) and there was no lane marking in that subdivision. Also it engages only after you go past 18 mph. The car traveled too fast in a short distance.I don't think AP would have done it in that neighborhood. Elon says AP was not engaged.

              3. If both the front passenger and rear passenger were belted it means the driver did not crawl out to the back. These people are not the type to have computer skills to defeat the Tesla AP technology. I doubt they put a weight in the driver seat and belted it and somehow drove the car.

              4. If there was a party and drinks were involved I suspect there was a driver in the front and the doc and engineer came along for the ride. Due to a combination of not realizing the power and torque of the car and being inebriated the accelerator was floored and the car too off and slammed into the tree. Maybe the driver was saved by the airbags and crawled out and tried to seek help but the car caught fire in the meantime. Something does not ad up with no driver and two other people belted in other seats. Tesla will have sensor info on the weight distribution in various seats and know if there was a driver who sat and was seat-belted. Let us see what they come up with.


              kinda crazy from a law enforcement standpoint if 4 is true and they can suggest it based on the seat data

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              • It just doesn’t make sense as you think an older anesthesiologist and engineer would have better sense than to floor it or lose control in a very nice subdivision close to their house.

                I’m guessing alcohol involved +/- third person.

                If I were the family (and weren’t hiding something) I would want to know what happened in any way for closure I guess.

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                • Originally posted by Panscan View Post
                  kinda crazy from a law enforcement standpoint if 4 is true and they can suggest it based on the seat data
                  Tesla is basically a computer with a car built on top of it. As a computer, it leaves behind many digital signatures and transmits data to mothership. AP will not engage unless it senses the weight on the front seat. If the rear passenger was truly belted up when they found the car, it makes the anesthetist to be unlikely as the person driving the car. And if the engineer in the front passenger seat was also belted, it also rules him out as the driver. If these could be confirmed ( Tesla would have data on which seats were buckled up the whole time and if a seat belt was unbuckled at any time ) I strongly suspect a third person driving the car.

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                  • Originally posted by Kamban View Post

                    Tesla is basically a computer with a car built on top of it. As a computer, it leaves behind many digital signatures and transmits data to mothership. AP will not engage unless it senses the weight on the front seat. If the rear passenger was truly belted up when they found the car, it makes the anesthetist to be unlikely as the person driving the car. And if the engineer in the front passenger seat was also belted, it also rules him out as the driver. If these could be confirmed ( Tesla would have data on which seats were buckled up the whole time and if a seat belt was unbuckled at any time ) I strongly suspect a third person driving the car.
                    •The company, which abolished its press office, did not respond to a request for comment.
                    • Tesla seems to NOT be cooperating with the investigation. It seems that search warrants are being required to get Tesla’s data.
                    • The problem is that The Woodlands is where K Brady lives.
                    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...h-16124407.php

                    Just a possibility. Tesla is very very welcome in Texas. This would not be a political stunt. I have no idea why Tesla would be uncooperative.

                    Something is not right. Well more than one thing. More light than darkness. This might be UFO’s!
                    Top secret? This crash is not being handled through normal channels, primarily by Tesla.

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                    • Originally posted by Tim View Post

                      •The company, which abolished its press office, did not respond to a request for comment.
                      • Tesla seems to NOT be cooperating with the investigation. It seems that search warrants are being required to get Tesla’s data.
                      • The problem is that The Woodlands is where K Brady lives.
                      https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...h-16124407.php

                      Just a possibility. Tesla is very very welcome in Texas. This would not be a political stunt. I have no idea why Tesla would be uncooperative.

                      Something is not right. Well more than one thing. More light than darkness. This might be UFO’s!
                      Top secret? This crash is not being handled through normal channels, primarily by Tesla.
                      I am not sure how Tesla is welcome in oil country Texas when it is not allowed to sell its vehicles there. It cannot have service centers in TX. Only showrooms which is like window shopping. Unfortunately my home state of SC is even worse and does not even allow showrooms.

                      From what I could gather if Tesla wanted to be a party to NHTSA and have a say in its findings, it has to abide by a gag order. Which might be good for ordinary vehicles like Toyota or Ford but can hurt Tesla significantly since the media has decided to crucify Tesla by claiming the driver-less vehicle drove autonomously and killed 2 people. This is bad publicity for Tesla. I think Tesla has the data to believe that neither AP or FSD was involved and so decided to not become a party to the investigation and Elon decided to tweet about lack of FSD and no AP engaged.

                      This caused Tesla to be banned from being a party to the investigation. And Tesla being Tesla, and Elon being Elon, decided to play hard ball. You want to ban us - well we will also try to be as uncooperative as possible. Want to get data - go ahead, an get search warrants. I don't blame Tesla. The local volunteer firechief and every one else was allowed to make statements and be a party to the investigation but somehow Tesla was not allowed to defend wild unsubstantiated claims being made.

                      Let us see what the final report says.

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                      • “The local volunteer firechief and every one else was allowed to make statements and be a party to the investigation but somehow Tesla was not allowed to defend wild unsubstantiated claims being made.”

                        The local fire chief corrected impressions. Fire was out quickly. Kept reigniting. This is not about sales distribution channels.
                        It is about accident investigations. Yes, Elon is a marketing type.
                        Battery Day II? Not a good sequel.
                        Last edited by Tim; 04-23-2021, 06:35 PM. Reason: I hope it has a happy ending. Petroleum industry is completely different than manufacturing and distribution of autos.

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                        • I heard Musk will host SNL. For some reason SNL is one of the few things I watch. (wife likes it) It should be interesting

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                          • Originally posted by Lordosis View Post
                            I heard Musk will host SNL. For some reason SNL is one of the few things I watch. (wife likes it) It should be interesting
                            Probably a good break for him. Will all the things that he's juggling, his mid abdominal girth/insulin resistance seems to track at the pace of tesla's quarterly earning. Not trying to fat shame, but as an owner of the total stock market, his well being correlates with my financial well being. But then apple seems to have done fine without Jobs, as will BRK will without Buffett, BABA without Ma, AMZN without Bezos, and so forth.

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                            • Originally posted by burritos View Post

                              Probably a good break for him. Will all the things that he's juggling, his mid abdominal girth/insulin resistance seems to track at the pace of tesla's quarterly earning. Not trying to fat shame, but as an owner of the total stock market, his well being correlates with my financial well being. But then apple seems to have done fine without Jobs, as will BRK will without Buffett, BABA without Ma, AMZN without Bezos, and so forth.
                              I googled it to make sure I heard it right and there seems to be a lot of strife with the decision to have him host.

                              Here is the first hit
                              https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/25/opini...lah/index.html

                              He does speak his mind and is pretty kooky but I am surprised there would be so much controversy. Must have been a slow news day.

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                              • Pretty odd pick for a host. There are a lot of well known people out there who wouldn't necessarily make great hosts.

                                I guess if they bring back Stuart Smalley and do what they did with MJ, that could be a good sketch. Not sure if Al Franken would be invited back.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNx_gU57gQ4

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