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  • #16
    What is the advantage of the Bio Pure solution? Maybe it’s worth paying for. Maybe not. And paying $350 may be worth jot having to come back another time, but disclosing the additional costs clearly would have been the right thing to do.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MaxPower View Post
      What is the advantage of the Bio Pure solution? Maybe it’s worth paying for. Maybe not. And paying $350 may be worth jot having to come back another time, but disclosing the additional costs clearly would have been the right thing to do.
      Exactly. and fatlittlepig is too smart to start questioning the person who will be doing a root canal on him what materials they want to use. LOL.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by fatlittlepig View Post

        So you admit to overcharging your patients?
        speaking of being allergic to local anesthesia, the endodontist had difficulty getting the tooth numb and had to do a "intraseptal?" block, fun times..
        Many dental specialists and even dentists are fee for service. We decide what we are worth, not some insurance quant in Indiana.

        And not sure what inability to anesthetize and allergy have to do with each other. Your tooth was likely infected, thus changing the PH of the surrounding area. Local Anesthetics work optimally at narrow PKA ranges and so it is not unusual for an infected area to have difficulty becoming properly anesthetized.

        Hope your RCT went well and you get a nice result.

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        • #19
          Dental specialist here. I will say physicians are the worst patients because they think they know everything, even about dentistry. Fascinating to hear complaints about getting treated for problems that are asymptomatic. I wasn't having any pain either when my heart cath showed severe stenosis. Can you believe the cardiologist wanted to put in a stent even though I wasn't hurting!?! What a con artist. Everyone knows if it doesn't hurt, nothing can be wrong.

          On a more serious note, dental insurance is nothing like medical insurance so get that out of your thick heads. Dental only pays for the cheapest options. If you want the good stuff you gotta pay for it. Did you really think your dental "insurance" was on your side and wants you to have the best regardless of cost? And while we're at it, stop calling it "insurance". There is no such thing as dental "insurance". These are merely benefit plans with many limitations and exclusions. It's actually the OPPOSITE of insurance. It would be like if your auto insurance paid to change the oil but not for a major collision.

          http://meadfamilydental.com/2011/12/...control-freak/

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          • #20
            Originally posted by toofy View Post
            I wasn't having any pain either when my heart cath showed severe stenosis. Can you believe the cardiologist wanted to put in a stent even though I wasn't hurting!?! What a con artist. Everyone knows if it doesn't hurt, nothing can be wrong.

            ...

            thick heads.
            There is a large amount of irony in the example that you noted.

            Most here don't have thick heads. I, for one, don't carry dental insurance.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by G View Post

              There is a large amount of irony in the example that you noted.

              Most here don't have thick heads. I, for one, don't carry dental insurance.
              My cardiac story was sarcasm, meant to be in jest.
              You're correct that dental insurance is rarely a good deal unless someone buys it for you (like an employer). The average plan has about $1200 of benefits per year, and it costs..... about $100 per month.

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              • #22
                If the dental insurance that we had was not so cheap I would agree it is barely worth it. It basically covers a small portion of what we actually use it for and if something catastrophic did happen it would not really be covered.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by toofy View Post

                  My cardiac story was sarcasm, meant to be in jest.
                  I didn't know if you knew why it was ironic.

                  Actually, I still don't.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by toofy View Post
                    Dental specialist here. I will say physicians are the worst patients because they think they know everything, even about dentistry. Fascinating to hear complaints about getting treated for problems that are asymptomatic. I wasn't having any pain either when my heart cath showed severe stenosis. Can you believe the cardiologist wanted to put in a stent even though I wasn't hurting!?! What a con artist. Everyone knows if it doesn't hurt, nothing can be wrong.

                    On a more serious note, dental insurance is nothing like medical insurance so get that out of your thick heads. Dental only pays for the cheapest options. If you want the good stuff you gotta pay for it. Did you really think your dental "insurance" was on your side and wants you to have the best regardless of cost? And while we're at it, stop calling it "insurance". There is no such thing as dental "insurance". These are merely benefit plans with many limitations and exclusions. It's actually the OPPOSITE of insurance. It would be like if your auto insurance paid to change the oil but not for a major collision.

                    http://meadfamilydental.com/2011/12/...control-freak/
                    Welcome.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Lordosis View Post
                      If the dental insurance that we had was not so cheap I would agree it is barely worth it. It basically covers a small portion of what we actually use it for and if something catastrophic did happen it would not really be covered.
                      In addition to the amusing looks of consternation from the staff as if I'm about to run out the door without settling my bill, paying cash is easier and cheaper. And more receipts for the HSA future reimbursement folder.

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                      • #26
                        Herewith a story in defense of dental billing clerks. I had Tricare Retiree Delta Dental for years until program ended last year. At the end of 2018 I was in transition from TRDP to my work dental plan. As it happened I had two old fillings that were failing, and the tooth for one of them was cracked. So, I used TRDP for the first, waited until the plan expired and then used the work plan the other. Despite paying the not inconsiderable cost share each time, chaos ensued as each plan (both Delta Dental ironically) spent a year refusing to pay because the other was primary. But other than some phone calls to ask me for clarification about the TRDP, which was trying to close up shop, the dentist’s billing team sorted it all out. I thought that was both appropriate and good business, but certainly have heard enough horror stories to realize I should not take such good service for granted.

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                        • #27
                          FLP, I actually think your concerns based upon what you report are valid. If there was an additional charge for those two services you should have been notified. Whether your insurance covers them is not the dentists responsibility, however making a statement such as “a same day crown does have an additional $350 charge that may not be covered by your plan” should have been made clear. Sounds like it was not. For what it’s worth, we charge the same fee and use the same code whether it’s same day or not, never heard of an additional charge.
                          Your comment about working within your insurance is silly. Do you really think your dental insurance is the best resource to make recommendations for your dental health? I openly tell every patient that I do not base my recommendations on your insurance in any way. You insurance can be part of your decision making process, but I do not think it should be part of mine while making a recommendation.

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                          • #28
                            Hey I gotta tell people that I am going to charge them an EM code when they complain about stuff during their physical.

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                            • #29
                              I have to agree with the dentists on this one. I have no idea what my patients insurance covers and I don't try to base my recommendations or care on it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by toofy View Post
                                Dental specialist here. I will say physicians are the worst patients because they think they know everything, even about dentistry. Fascinating to hear complaints about getting treated for problems that are asymptomatic. I wasn't having any pain either when my heart cath showed severe stenosis. Can you believe the cardiologist wanted to put in a stent even though I wasn't hurting!?! What a con artist. Everyone knows if it doesn't hurt, nothing can be wrong.

                                On a more serious note, dental insurance is nothing like medical insurance so get that out of your thick heads. Dental only pays for the cheapest options. If you want the good stuff you gotta pay for it. Did you really think your dental "insurance" was on your side and wants you to have the best regardless of cost? And while we're at it, stop calling it "insurance". There is no such thing as dental "insurance". These are merely benefit plans with many limitations and exclusions. It's actually the OPPOSITE of insurance. It would be like if your auto insurance paid to change the oil but not for a major collision.

                                http://meadfamilydental.com/2011/12/...control-freak/
                                Okkkkkkkk then..,,

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