1099-R question with TSP & Backdoor Roth

[gap55u]

I'm trying to figure out 1099-R's and tax time. I was hoping to do Turbotax rather than an accountant.  In doing a backdoor Roth, things got screwed up. (my former financial advisor and I are to blame)

16500 nondeductible contributions. 2500 earnings.  BOTH sent to TSP. they can't take nondeductible contributions. They eventually return the 16500.

My brokerage gives me a 1099-R for the full 1900.

The nondeductible contributions of 16500 went to a backdoor roth.

I have another 1099-R for the 16500.

Doesn't it seem like they should correct the 19000 to a 2500?  I already asked the TSP, and they will not be issuing a form for the returned 16500.

Assistance/recommendations appreciated!

 

[DMFA]

gap55u wrote:

I’m trying to figure out 1099-R’s and tax time. I was hoping to do Turbotax rather than an accountant.  In doing a backdoor Roth, things got screwed up. (my former financial advisor and I are to blame)

16500 nondeductible contributions. 2500 earnings.  BOTH sent to TSP. they can’t take nondeductible contributions. They eventually return the 16500.

My brokerage gives me a 1099-R for the full 1900.

The nondeductible contributions of 16500 went to a backdoor roth.

I have another 1099-R for the 16500.

Doesn’t it seem like they should correct the 1900 to a 2500?  I already asked the TSP, and they will not be issuing a form for the returned 16500.

Assistance/recommendations appreciated!

 

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I'm guessing you mean $19,000, since that's $16,500 + $2,500?

No, because technically the whole thing *was* distributed from the IRA, then $16,500 was put back into Traditional, then another $16,500 was distributed by way of conversion from Traditional to Roth.  The "Taxable amount not determined" box within Box 2b on 1099-R should be checked.  That means that it's up to you to determine what's taxable...which should be zero, because everything converted to Roth was non-deductible and everything pretax was rollover'd to pretax TSP.

Your form 8606 would show $11,000 prior basis, $5,500 contribution, $0 12/31/2017 Trad/SEP/SIMPLE balance, $16,500 converted, 1.000 non-taxable portion, and $0 tax due.

[gap55u]

That seems easier than expected.  I figured that since I'd have 1099-R's for 19,000 (to TSP) + 16,500 (backdoor roth) the IRS would wonder about the 16500 that wasn't on a 1099-R.

[DMFA]

gap55u wrote:

That seems easier than expected.  I figured that since I’d have 1099-R’s for 19,000 (to TSP) + 16,500 (backdoor roth) the IRS would wonder about the 16500 that wasn’t on a 1099-R.

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It will be explained by the form 5498s furnished to them by the custodian and by your form 8606. And if not, and they ask you, just tell them.

[gap55u]

@DFMA -

I have the 1099-R's and 8606. I didn't do nondeductible Trad IRA contributions in 2017.

Schwab tells me form 5498 doesn't come out until May.  Does this mean I should file an extension and wait until May, given all of the activity?  I think I'm able to answer the underlying question - what is the total value of traditional IRA/SEP/Simple (turbotax specifically asks for this) - without the 5498.

Frustratingly, when I transferred earnings out and did the backdoor roth, a random $1.21 was left in the nondeductible account on 12/31/17. I have done a backdoor roth IRA for 2018 already, and it's now got 3 cents in it. I know to ignore that, round down.

 

 

[spiritrider]

Not DMFA, but the fact that you made no non-deductible IRA contributions in 2017 changes the Form 8606 reporting. Your Form 8606 should show $16,500 prior basis, $0 contribution, $0 12/31/2017 Trad/SEP/SIMPLE balance, $16,500 converted, 1.000 non-taxable portion, and $0 tax due.

Hopefully, you reported the previous three (3) $5,550 non-deductible contributions and accumulating basis on prior 8606 forms. If not you should get those submitted immediately and separate from your return. Then I suggest you wait until at least 4/1 to file your return.

Also, you should report the $19,000 TSP rollover on Form 1040 line 16a, $0 in Line 16b taxable amount and either you if filing manually or the tax software should enter rollover in the space to the right of the "taxable amount" label.

[gap55u]

Thank you— — I am on track. I haven’t stepped through the ira contribution & basis portions of TurboTax but I understand what I need to answer. I’ve got my 4 1099-r’s entered (move 3 accounts to 401k, rollover the nondeductible portion to Roth)

And, yes, I had been tracking 8606 for me and my wife. At least I did something right, huh?

It seems like the 5498 isn’t an issue.