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    Update 10/26/2016: I'm updating this post to let everyone know that early consolidation and applying for REPAYE works well. I am now 3 statements in with $0/month payments and the government interest subsidy is posting on 1st of the month. The 0.25% interest deduction for automatic payment works also. After consolidation, my interest rate was 6%. With 0.25% automatic payment deduction, it is 5.75%, and with government subsidy, my effective rate is 2.87%.

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    I'm a 4th year med student, graduating in 2 weeks with about $210,000 in federal loans. $187,000 of this is principle and $23,000 is accrued (uncapitalized) interest. The loans have various rates between 5.41-6.8%. The weighted average rate is 5.99% I've posted a few times on here about REPAYE and continue to be surprised about how few people know about it. In short, under the REPAYE program, monthly payments are set to "10% of your disposable income" based off the prior year's tax return. As a 4th year medical student, I made $3000 last year. Using the studentloans.gov repayment calculator, this makes my REPAYE payments $0/month for the first year.

     

    The reason for making this post is to point out the benefit of entering REPAYE as soon as possible after graduation. This is because interest capitalization is triggered by specific events:

     
    1. When the loan enters repayment.

    2. When a deferment ends.

    3. When forbearance ends.

    4. When the loan defaults

    5. A change in repayment plan

    6. Loan consolidation.

    See more at: http://askheatherjarvis.com/blog/what-triggers-student-loan-interest-capitalization#sthash.6Ajj3MK6.dpuf

     

    When you graduate medical school you enter a 6 month grace period during which your interest is not capitalized. It continues to accrue at the same rate as while you were in medical school and then consolidates when you enter repayment (if you graduate in May, then this is in November/December). From May-November, my $187,000 in principle accrues $5610 in interest. My loan then enters repayment and 23,000 + 5610 is capitalized into my 187,000, to make $215,000. $215,000 @ 6% kicks out $12,900 in interest per year, or $1075 per month.

     

    REPAYE: $1075 - $0 monthly payment = $1075 of interest not covered by monthly payment. Under REPAYE, the government pays 50% of this, so each month I am really only accruing $537 of interest per month ($6450 per year). On a $215,000 loan balance, this is an effective rate of 3.0%.

     

    So, wouldn't it be great to enter REPAYE as early as possible? Not so easy says the government. This is because you cannot skip your 6 month grace period. Your loans do not begin repayment until after your grace period. This is not to say you can't make voluntary payments during this time, but your loans are technically not in repayment, so you cannot enroll early in REPAYE. I have spoken with a Nelnet representative who has confirmed this. What this means is that we are stuck with waiting 6 months (while loans are accruing at 6% instead of 3%)

     

    However, consolidation of your loans does trigger repayment (you forfeit your grace period when you consolidate). Thus, by consolidating loans as soon as possible after graduation, you can enter REPAYE. And since your payments will likely be $0 anyways, what is the point of a grace period? This is what I plan to do.

     

    Another benefit of this scheme is that the interest generating from May-November doesn't get added to the principle. Remember that $5610 I mentioned? Instead, if I consolidate in May, my principle for the life of the loan (until I refinance as an attending) is only $210,000 ($187,000 + 23,000). This makes a very small difference in the grand scheme of things ($215,000 vs $210,000 loan principle), but hey.

     

    Let me know if anyone else has thought of this or if you can think of any thing I am overlooking.

     

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    Are you planning to use PSLF or pay back your loans?

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    • #3
      I plan to pay them off, but if my job qualified for PSLF then of course I'd pursue it. This scheme also has the added benefit of increasing your number of qualifying payments by 5 or 6. That is, you start repayment earlier, so you reach the 120 qualifying payments sooner.

       

      A setback is that by consolidating I lose the ability to preferentially pay off the 6.8% loans before the 5.41%. When I have attending salary though, I intend to pay them all off within 2-3 years, so this makes a pretty small difference overall.

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        I plan to pay them off, but if my job qualified for PSLF then of course I’d pursue it. This scheme also has the added benefit of increasing your number of qualifying payments by 5 or 6. That is, you start repayment earlier, so you reach the 120 qualifying payments sooner.

         

        A setback is that by consolidating I lose the ability to preferentially pay off the 6.8% loans before the 5.41%. When I have attending salary though, I intend to pay them all off within 2-3 years, so this makes a pretty small difference overall.
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        What specialty are you entering into?

        I like your scheme about consolidating early to avoid the grace period to save 5k-6k before repayment starts. I also have variable rates of loans from 5.41-6.8% with principle of 230k including today's interests. I do also have two Perkins loans. My lender is Fedloan servicing. I talked to them and they told me I have to use one of the Direct loans to be used with two Perkins to make my two Perkins into Direct loans. FYI, Perkins has to be consolidated if you want to repay with any of the IDR plans. BUT, I am not planning on consolidating my entire loan into a single loan just to avoid the grace period. I want to have a flexibility to specifically target the loan I want to pay in the future if I don't do consolidation. Also, making a single consolidation will likely increase the monthly interest accrued down the road.

        I will have to ask my lender, Fedloan tomorrow to see if I consolidate two Perkins with one of Direct loan only (not the entire loan into a single loan), can I start to repay, meaning no need to wait for 6 months grace period?

        One thing I checked with them already is that normally, they won't process the consolidation application until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. I will graduate in mid-May and I will be eligible to enter repayment option in mid-Nov. So, they told me that even though you submit your application for REPAYE/Consolidation in May or June, your application will sit there and won't be processed until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. So, find this out with your lender as well. If Fedloan is true, then there is no way to waive or avoid the 6 months grace period.

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          I plan to pay them off, but if my job qualified for PSLF then of course I’d pursue it. This scheme also has the added benefit of increasing your number of qualifying payments by 5 or 6. That is, you start repayment earlier, so you reach the 120 qualifying payments sooner.

           

          A setback is that by consolidating I lose the ability to preferentially pay off the 6.8% loans before the 5.41%. When I have attending salary though, I intend to pay them all off within 2-3 years, so this makes a pretty small difference overall.
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          What specialty are you entering into?

          I like your scheme about consolidating early to avoid the grace period to save 5k-6k before repayment starts. I also have variable rates of loans from 5.41-6.8% with principle of 230k including today’s interests. I do also have two Perkins loans. My lender is Fedloan servicing. I talked to them and they told me I have to use one of the Direct loans to be used with two Perkins to make my two Perkins into Direct loans. FYI, Perkins has to be consolidated if you want to repay with any of the IDR plans. BUT, I am not planning on consolidating my entire loan into a single loan just to avoid the grace period. I want to have a flexibility to specifically target the loan I want to pay in the future if I don’t do consolidation. Also, making a single consolidation will likely increase the monthly interest accrued down the road.

          I will have to ask my lender, Fedloan tomorrow to see if I consolidate two Perkins with one of Direct loan only (not the entire loan into a single loan), can I start to repay, meaning no need to wait for 6 months grace period?

          One thing I checked with them already is that normally, they won’t process the consolidation application until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. I will graduate in mid-May and I will be eligible to enter repayment option in mid-Nov. So, they told me that even though you submit your application for REPAYE/Consolidation in May or June, your application will sit there and won’t be processed until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. So, find this out with your lender as well. If Fedloan is true, then there is no way to waive or avoid the 6 months grace period.
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          According to studentaid.ed.gov, you have the option of indicating whether you would like them to delay processing the application. This from their website:

          https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/consolidation

          "Note: If any loan you want to consolidate is still in the grace period, you can delay entering repayment on your new Direct Consolidation Loan until closer to your grace period end date. You will indicate this when you apply, and the consolidation servicer will wait to process your application until the appropriate time."

          Also, from the paper instructions for the consolidation app:

          https://studentloans.gov/myDirectLoan/images/Instructions.pdf

          "Item 17: If you are in your grace period on any of the loans you wish to consolidate and you want to delay processing of your Direct Consolidation Loan until you have completed your grace period, enter the month and year of your expected grace period end date. If you provide this information, processing of your Direct Consolidation Loan will be delayed until approximately 30-60 days before the end of your grace period, and your consolidation loan will not enter repayment until after your grace period ends. If you leave Item 17 blank, processing of your consolidation loan will begin as soon as we receive your completed Note and any other required documents. Any loans listed in the Loans You Want to Consolidate section that are in a grace period will enter repayment immediately upon consolidation. You will then lose the remaining portion of the grace period on those loans."

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            I plan to pay them off, but if my job qualified for PSLF then of course I’d pursue it. This scheme also has the added benefit of increasing your number of qualifying payments by 5 or 6. That is, you start repayment earlier, so you reach the 120 qualifying payments sooner.

             

            A setback is that by consolidating I lose the ability to preferentially pay off the 6.8% loans before the 5.41%. When I have attending salary though, I intend to pay them all off within 2-3 years, so this makes a pretty small difference overall.
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            What specialty are you entering into?

            I like your scheme about consolidating early to avoid the grace period to save 5k-6k before repayment starts. I also have variable rates of loans from 5.41-6.8% with principle of 230k including today’s interests. I do also have two Perkins loans. My lender is Fedloan servicing. I talked to them and they told me I have to use one of the Direct loans to be used with two Perkins to make my two Perkins into Direct loans. FYI, Perkins has to be consolidated if you want to repay with any of the IDR plans. BUT, I am not planning on consolidating my entire loan into a single loan just to avoid the grace period. I want to have a flexibility to specifically target the loan I want to pay in the future if I don’t do consolidation. Also, making a single consolidation will likely increase the monthly interest accrued down the road.

            I will have to ask my lender, Fedloan tomorrow to see if I consolidate two Perkins with one of Direct loan only (not the entire loan into a single loan), can I start to repay, meaning no need to wait for 6 months grace period?

            One thing I checked with them already is that normally, they won’t process the consolidation application until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. I will graduate in mid-May and I will be eligible to enter repayment option in mid-Nov. So, they told me that even though you submit your application for REPAYE/Consolidation in May or June, your application will sit there and won’t be processed until 45 days prior to 6 months grace period ends. So, find this out with your lender as well. If Fedloan is true, then there is no way to waive or avoid the 6 months grace period.
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            According to studentaid.ed.gov, you have the option of indicating whether you would like them to delay processing the application. This from their website:

            https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/consolidation

            “Note: If any loan you want to consolidate is still in the grace period, you can delay entering repayment on your new Direct Consolidation Loan until closer to your grace period end date. You will indicate this when you apply, and the consolidation servicer will wait to process your application until the appropriate time.”

            Also, from the paper instructions for the consolidation app:

            https://studentloans.gov/myDirectLoan/images/Instructions.pdf

            “Item 17: If you are in your grace period on any of the loans you wish to consolidate and you want to delay processing of your Direct Consolidation Loan until you have completed your grace period, enter the month and year of your expected grace period end date. If you provide this information, processing of your Direct Consolidation Loan will be delayed until approximately 30-60 days before the end of your grace period, and your consolidation loan will not enter repayment until after your grace period ends. If you leave Item 17 blank, processing of your consolidation loan will begin as soon as we receive your completed Note and any other required documents. Any loans listed in the Loans You Want to Consolidate section that are in a grace period will enter repayment immediately upon consolidation. You will then lose the remaining portion of the grace period on those loans.”
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            I called the fedloan servicing (my lender) regarding the consolidation and grace period waiver.

            As a reference, I have 6 Direct Unsub at different interest rates ranges from 5.41-6.8% and two Federal Perkins loans at 5% each. For my two Perkins loans to be eligible for REPAYE/PSLF, I MUST utilize at least one of Direct Unsub loans to make it happen. My graduation is mid May.

            So, here is what they recommend:

            After I graduate next month (grace period starts which makes me eligible to apply for consolidation), I will apply REPAYE/Consolidation on one of Direct unsub with two Perkins ONLY (I am not planning on consolidating on all of my loans into a single loan). It takes about a month to process. Once these three loans has been consolidated, REPAYE will kick in for this one consolidated loan. Also, if I apply to PSLF, counting of PSLF should also count. The next step is, for my rest of the Direct unsub (again, I am not planning on consolidating these), Fedloan rep told me they can waive the grace period on those even though I am not consolidating them (I didn't believe it at first, but they say they can). I will just have to apply separately for REPAYE on those loans which will take another month. So, in the end, accounting the processing time, I will be able to enter REPAYE for consolidated loans around mid June and the rest of loans in mid July instead of waiting for grace period till mid November. Thus, out of 6 months grace period, I will be able to enter into REPAYE 3-4 months ahead after considering the processing time.

            Hope this will work and if it is, it is great to enter into REPAYE early and make PSLF counting sooner!

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            • #7
              I just applied for consolidation of my loans for this very reason. However, I was confused as to whether or not I should indicate that I was employed yet - I did put this information down, but I also put that my income had not changed since my last tax filing (filed taxes this year for this exact purpose haha). Wondering if this will raise any flags, when they see I am employed but that my income has not changed (it technically hasn't since I won't get a paycheck until mid-July). Trying to get the lowest possible payment for this year (preferably 0). Any advice would be super helpful!

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              • #8
                I just got a guest post on this yesterday with step by step instructions. It'll run in a few months. But the idea is sound. Getting into REPAYE ASAP is wise, especially if going for PSLF.
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                • #9
                  I think this is a great idea. I just wanted to add that I did this when I graduated medical school, but it took Direct Loans about 6mo to properly consolidate my loans (and yes, I did waive my grace period when applying). They kept making maddening errors that delayed the consolidation. So, unless the government has become more efficient (and accurate) since then, don't be surprised if they mess it up. Good luck.

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                  • #10
                    I just got a guest post on this yesterday with step by step instructions. It’ll run in a few months. But the idea is sound. Getting into REPAYE ASAP is wise, especially if going for PSLF.

                     

                    WCI - If I am understanding this situation correctly, this post would be time sensitive given that graduations just occurred and in a couple of months the clock will have ticked on the grace period post-grad.  Any chance that this post gets bumped up to help those in this exact situation at this exact moment? As you can tell, I fall into that category and thus would be forever grateful! Figured it can't hurt to ask.

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                      I just applied for consolidation of my loans for this very reason. However, I was confused as to whether or not I should indicate that I was employed yet – I did put this information down, but I also put that my income had not changed since my last tax filing (filed taxes this year for this exact purpose haha). Wondering if this will raise any flags, when they see I am employed but that my income has not changed (it technically hasn’t since I won’t get a paycheck until mid-July). Trying to get the lowest possible payment for this year (preferably 0). Any advice would be super helpful!
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                      I applied for consolidation a few days after graduating. I also indicated that my income had not changed significantly since last year (haven't started residency yet). I was reassigned from Nelnet to Fedloan for the consolidation. I had to call and clarify one of the addresses on my references. As I was hanging up, the lady mentioned something about needing 2 paystubs and that I can upload them online. However, she didn't give clear instructions and I haven't received anything official stating that I need to submit paystubs, so I'm just riding it out to see what happens. When I check the status online it says it is processing normally. If I receive something official requesting them, then I'll call and let them know that I won't have income until mid-July (hence the "not changed significantly").

                      Glad to hear WCI has a guest post coming on this. I'll check back in to let you guys know how the process goes for me.

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                      • #12
                        Only way to waive the grace period from my servicer (fedloan servicing) is to consolidate the loans. I applied for consolidation/RePAYE at the same time a couple of days after the graduation in mid-May. I expect to enter into repayment by the beginning of August instead of December if I would've stayed on 6 months grace period. Processing time for both consolidation/RePAYE will take roughly two months at least. Once both applications are processed, you will need to give them 4 weeks before you can enter into repayment. So, technically, it will take 2 1/2 - 3 mon to enter into repayment after you apply.

                        If you are thinking of PSLF/REPAYE route and don't want to wait for grace period, apply ASAP for consolidation. I don't know if other servicers have other ways to waive the grace period, though. Check with your servicer first.

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                        • #13
                          My income as a fourth year was zero and forgot to still file tax return for 2015. So, I will file it this week and upload it on myfedloan.gov. FYI, you can still apply consolidation/repaye without having filed tax return. But, I will file it anyway just so that I have a proof of zero income and can be used to have $0/monthly payment for a year until I renew repaye next year with PSLF. Fedloan also mentioned about submitting pay stub once I earn the income, but since a monthly payment is based on the AGI from the previous tax return, I do not see the point of submitting the proof of income by submitting the paycheck, personally. If PSLF route doesn't look good down the road, my plan is to save up the cash amount of interest accrued a month after subsidy into my banking saving account. So, if in case that I will have to pay loans on my own, I can use up these saved cash to pay the interests before I refinance with bank down the road.

                          mamead, did you have taxable income in 2015? If you didn't and have filed tax with AGI of $0, I don't see the point of submitting the pay stub. You are just gonna ride along until they require, right?

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                          • #14
                            Just want to add that I think the posters in this thread have the right idea.  Consolidate loans to enter REPAYE ASAP for the benefits below:

                             

                            Enter REPAYE ASAP to 1) Decrease capitalization of additional interest from June-November, 2) Increase benefit of interest subsidy by applying it to additional months when you are a low income intern, 3) Start the clock on PSLF payments 4-5 months earlier.

                             

                            Additional thoughts: They calculate your intern year REPAYE payments on 10% of your discretionary income of your projected monthly salary as you must answer yes to significant income change when going through the consolidation process ($0/mo -> $4200/mo).  Make sure you will be able to make the REPAYE payments intern year if you pursue this consolidation --> early REPAYE strategy.

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                              My income as a fourth year was zero and forgot to still file tax return for 2015. So, I will file it this week and upload it on myfedloan.gov. FYI, you can still apply consolidation/repaye without having filed tax return. But, I will file it anyway just so that I have a proof of zero income and can be used to have $0/monthly payment for a year until I renew repaye next year with PSLF. Fedloan also mentioned about submitting pay stub once I earn the income, but since a monthly payment is based on the AGI from the previous tax return, I do not see the point of submitting the proof of income by submitting the paycheck, personally. If PSLF route doesn’t look good down the road, my plan is to save up the cash amount of interest accrued a month after subsidy into my banking saving account. So, if in case that I will have to pay loans on my own, I can use up these saved cash to pay the interests before I refinance with bank down the road.

                              mamead, did you have taxable income in 2015? If you didn’t and have filed tax with AGI of $0, I don’t see the point of submitting the pay stub. You are just gonna ride along until they require, right?
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                              I had a taxable income of ~$3500 last year so had already filed. Like I said, I'm going to let it ride and see what happens.




                              Just want to add that I think the posters in this thread have the right idea.  Consolidate loans to enter REPAYE ASAP for the benefits below:

                               

                              Enter REPAYE ASAP to 1) Decrease capitalization of additional interest from June-November, 2) Increase benefit of interest subsidy by applying it to additional months when you are a low income intern, 3) Start the clock on PSLF payments 4-5 months earlier.

                               

                              Additional thoughts: They calculate your intern year REPAYE payments on 10% of your discretionary income of your projected monthly salary as you must answer yes to significant income change when going through the consolidation process ($0/mo -> $4200/mo).  Make sure you will be able to make the REPAYE payments intern year if you pursue this consolidation –> early REPAYE strategy.
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                              I chose to answer no, specifically to avoid the $4200/month calculation. My income at the time of application (and currently) is still zero, so I felt comfortable putting that down. Time will tell though if it is going to cause any problems.

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