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    Hello:

    I finally took my first step in doing the Backdoor Roth IRA recommended by WCI and others. I have my Roth IRA with Scottrade. Opened a traditional IRA with Scottrade and contributed 5,500. I am trying to find the Prime Money Market Fund as recommended by WCI but cannot find it. Any recommendations if this is not available in Scottrade?

  • #2
    The Prime Money Market Fund would be synonymous with any MMA (Money Market Account) that your specific custodian offers. I recommend a MMA rather than an MMF.
    Working to protect good doctors from bad advisors. Fox & Co CPAs, Fox & Co Wealth Mgmt. 270-247-6087

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    • #3
      From what I understand, the point of investing in a money market fund is to limit growth (and thus tax) prior to conversion. Unless I'm missing something (insert expert feedback here), I don't think there would be much issue to leave the money in cash or just invest as you wish.

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        From what I understand, the point of investing in a money market fund is to limit growth (and thus tax) prior to conversion. Unless I’m missing something (insert expert feedback here), I don’t think there would be much issue to leave the money in cash or just invest as you wish.
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        Yes, that is exactly right. You would build the portfolio after the Roth conversion takes place a few days later.

        To reiterate, I prefer MMA to MMF because the MMF can actually lose value. Unlikely, but it has happened.
        Working to protect good doctors from bad advisors. Fox & Co CPAs, Fox & Co Wealth Mgmt. 270-247-6087

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        • #5
          So, then I could just leave it there and not invest in either MMA or MMF and do Backdoor Roth anyway?

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          • #6
            That is what i did (instead of messing with transactions before and after to buy/sell).

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            • #7




              So, then I could just leave it there and not invest in either MMA or MMF and do Backdoor Roth anyway?
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              Yes, you don't need to invest it in anything if you're planning on doing a backdoor roth conversion after a few days.  It's a cash transfer.  You're not going to invest in a fund and then transfer shares to a roth. You're transferring cash to a traditional, then cash to a roth. As soon as the account says "available for withdraw" you can go ahead and convert it to a roth.
              With Vanguard it usually takes 7 business days from the day you transfer money to the traditional to be able to convert it to a roth. I just leave it sit there as cash the whole time.

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                So, then I could just leave it there and not invest in either MMA or MMF and do Backdoor Roth anyway?
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                Yes, you don’t need to invest it in anything if you’re planning on doing a backdoor roth conversion after a few days.  It’s a cash transfer.  You’re not going to invest in a fund and then transfer shares to a roth. You’re transferring cash to a traditional, then cash to a roth. As soon as the account says “available for withdraw” you can go ahead and convert it to a roth.
                With Vanguard it usually takes 7 business days from the day you transfer money to the traditional to be able to convert it to a roth. I just leave it sit there as cash the whole time.
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                Thank you. Right now, there is nothing available in cash available to withdraw. I will be waiting on that. Afterwards, I will see how to transfer it to my Roth IRA (both with Scottrade). I don't see any option for that. Scottrade isn't very user friendly, I think.

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                • #9
                  Make sure you get the conversion paperwork, NOT the recharacterization paperwork. My Scottrade office screwed up my request by doing a recharacterization. So I had to undo/re- recharacterize back to a traditional and then convert, a major hassle, especially at tax time. The paperwork itself is really simple, especially if you don't have comingled funds.

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                    Make sure you get the conversion paperwork, NOT the recharacterization paperwork. My Scottrade office screwed up my request by doing a recharacterization. So I had to undo/re- recharacterize back to a traditional and then convert, a major hassle, especially at tax time. The paperwork itself is really simple, especially if you don’t have comingled funds.
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                    I cant do the process online in Scottrade?

                     

                    Is this it: https://www.scottrade.com/documents/formscenter/Bysis_SF2350_DirConverReq.pdf

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                    • #11
                      Yes, that looks like the correct form. Just fill it out and send or bring it in.

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