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  • AR
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    But you’re seeing “plenty” of kids being hurt by strangers in their home.  How many times a month is plenty?  Also, can you share some details.  Are the strangers intruders? AirBNB renters? Something else?
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    I’m not trying to cast aspersions on AirBNB — I was making general commentary on the fact that kids are in fact hurt injured by strangers as well as friends and family.  I don’t want to derail the conversation too much, but I’ll try to give an answer to the question.

    I work in a pediatric emergency department in a children’s hospital in an urban environment, and victims of violence of varying types are something that comes through our door semi-regularly — sometimes we (or someone else) figure it out, and sometimes the child is old enough to tell us.

    Most doctors, even most pediatricians, don’t routinely see patients who were abused or assaulted, but because of where I work and the type of work I do, I see an abnormal concentration of them.

    Children are far more likely to be abused by someone known to the family than a complete stranger, however that’s also presupposing the more common exposures, which is “known” entities, such as family members, parents significant others, etc.

    I also see children and teenagers who are assaulted without clear provocation on a semi-regular basis (sometimes with provocation too I’m sure).

    I can’t say I’ve ever come cared for a child who was assaulted by an AirBNB renter.  I’ve seen plenty who were assaulted by known entities who were allowed to be in the home as well as strangers who came to a house during a party or other gathering.

    It’s hard for me to give a # because I don’t keep track, and I don’t work every shift in our own ER.  I’ll tell you that there’s enough of it happening that just about every medium or large children’s hospital in the country has pediatric specialists dedicated to evaluating and treating children who are victims of abuse.  There is an accredited 3-year fellowship for it with its own board exam.

    We have two pediatricians who are a subgroup of my division who sub specialize in it.  One of them actually gave us a CME talk today.  And there aren’t enough of these specialists to go around — not many are in training at any given time.

    Our house isn’t set up well for an AirBNB — no separate entrance to the basement that has the extra bed/bathroom and no way to separate it from the rest of the house.  No way I would let random people over the internet book a chance to stay in our house with our 3 young children.
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    Obviously (or perhaps not so obviously) I never doubted that there are a lot of abused kids.  I just thought that seeing a lot abused by "strangers in the home" was weird, because "strangers in the home" is not a scenario that occurs very often (repairmen, delivery people, AirBNB renters, intruders etc. -- I can't think of a whole lot more because it's just not that common) and when it does normally everyone is alert (which is not the case with friends, family, acquaintances, etc.) and strangers are regarded with suspicion, so the opportunities are likely to be fewer.

    I'm not sure I'd describe people invited over for a party as strangers.  But I guess it's possible that people have different kinds of parties than I might.  Or maybe if someone crashes the party and then goes on to assault a child, I guess it would count.  If you've seen a lot of those, I'll take your word for it, but it is pretty surprising.

    Even after all you've typed, I'm still not convinced that kids abused/assaulted by "strangers in the home" is a thing that happens on a frequent basis.  Unless you have a very unorthodox definition of "stranger" and "frequent".

    I would never rent a room in my house to AirBNB renters unless I was in some dire financial situation, but my reason is far more related to just general discomfort/weirdness of having a stranger around than safety.  But concern for safety is definitely a part of it.

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  • jsr52
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    I ran an airbnb for a year with my roommate during our last year of our medicine residency. I did it mainly since I was staying at my girlfriends so we figured my room could make some extra money. Needless to say, as a resident, it was a pain having to deal with hosts when I was working so hard during the day. Money was pretty good though. 90% of the guests were quite pleasant. A few hit or miss guests every now and then. We hosted a couple from Paris expecting our apartment to be a Ritz Carlton... needless to say they were pissed, but thats airbnb for yeah.

    I respectfully disagree with Hightower. If an Airbnb guest is drunk and causes damage that is far more likely to happen than a random person breaking into your apartment.

     

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  • RogueDadMD
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    But you’re seeing “plenty” of kids being hurt by strangers in their home.  How many times a month is plenty?  Also, can you share some details.  Are the strangers intruders? AirBNB renters? Something else?
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    I'm not trying to cast aspersions on AirBNB -- I was making general commentary on the fact that kids are in fact hurt injured by strangers as well as friends and family.  I don't want to derail the conversation too much, but I'll try to give an answer to the question.

    I work in a pediatric emergency department in a children's hospital in an urban environment, and victims of violence of varying types are something that comes through our door semi-regularly -- sometimes we (or someone else) figure it out, and sometimes the child is old enough to tell us.

    Most doctors, even most pediatricians, don't routinely see patients who were abused or assaulted, but because of where I work and the type of work I do, I see an abnormal concentration of them.

    Children are far more likely to be abused by someone known to the family than a complete stranger, however that's also presupposing the more common exposures, which is "known" entities, such as family members, parents significant others, etc.

    I also see children and teenagers who are assaulted without clear provocation on a semi-regular basis (sometimes with provocation too I'm sure).

    I can't say I've ever come cared for a child who was assaulted by an AirBNB renter.  I've seen plenty who were assaulted by known entities who were allowed to be in the home as well as strangers who came to a house during a party or other gathering.

    It's hard for me to give a # because I don't keep track, and I don't work every shift in our own ER.  I'll tell you that there's enough of it happening that just about every medium or large children's hospital in the country has pediatric specialists dedicated to evaluating and treating children who are victims of abuse.  There is an accredited 3-year fellowship for it with its own board exam.

    We have two pediatricians who are a subgroup of my division who sub specialize in it.  One of them actually gave us a CME talk today.  And there aren't enough of these specialists to go around -- not many are in training at any given time.

    Our house isn't set up well for an AirBNB -- no separate entrance to the basement that has the extra bed/bathroom and no way to separate it from the rest of the house.  No way I would let random people over the internet book a chance to stay in our house with our 3 young children.

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  • AR
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    You actually see kids getting hurt by strangers sleeping down the hall on a weekly basis? Remind me not to take my family to wherever you live!
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    I’ve taken care of plenty of kids hurt by “strangers” as well as family and friends who are in their home… that’s life working in the city I suppose.
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    I kind of had the same reaction as PhysicianOnFIRE.  Forget friends and family; that makes sense (sadly).  But you're seeing "plenty" of kids being hurt by strangers in their home.  How many times a month is plenty?  Also, can you share some details.  Are the strangers intruders? AirBNB renters? Something else?

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  • RogueDadMD
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    Just to offer a different perspective…

    I would have honestly said exactly the same thing as Zaphod prior to my wife starting our airbnb.  In fact, it was really quite a leap of faith for me to even agree to it, but, after having it up and running for nearly a year now, it’s really a non-issue.  It’s no different then living in an apartment building in terms of “risks” to your personal safety.  Our house is large enough that we never hear or see the guests and they have zero access to our side of the building unless they were to try to break down the doors.  If that were to happen it would be no different then someone trying to break in our front door or windows.  I sleep with a loaded gun in our bedroom so we’d be fine.  Plus we have a pitbull that sleeps next to our bed to alert us to any funny business like someone trying to break in.

    To each his/her own, but the fear of bad things happening just because there are strangers in your home is really unwarranted in my opinion.  I agree that I wouldn’t want to share my side of the building with strangers, but that’s because I’m an introvert and need my personal space.  But, keep in mind that true “Bed and Breakfast” establishments have existed for hundreds of years and usually operate in such a manner where the owners sleep in the same house with strangers every night (often times just down the hall, but usually with individual locks on the doors).  In fact, most older homes would have had locks on each door that could only be opened with keys for the purpose of sharing your home with travelers.  When we traveled through Europe we stayed at many B&B’s like that.  The owners would also get up in the morning and make us breakfast and chat with us a little.  It was nice and really made for a memorable experience.  We got so much more out of that kind of genuine interaction than we did on the nights we stayed in a big hotel.  It’s kind of unfortunate that our society is so fear driven these days, especially in this country.  It’s not like that everywhere else in the world.  I understand that it’s not for everyone, but it’s not a “dangerous” situation as people here have suggested.
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    We stayed in a BnB in Scotland last month -- wonderful experience.  Hosts slept in a room directly adjacent to ours.  It felt a little odd and we had less privacy than we'd have had in a hotel, but it was a much better experience than the Hilton we'd been in a few days earlier.

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  • RogueDadMD
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    You actually see kids getting hurt by strangers sleeping down the hall on a weekly basis? Remind me not to take my family to wherever you live!
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    I've taken care of plenty of kids hurt by "strangers" as well as family and friends who are in their home... that's life working in the city I suppose.

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  • fasteddie911
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    I'd personally be a little cautious in buying a property with the sole purpose of renting it out via Airbnb, though I know that's not exactly what you're planning.  It seems the Airbnb market isn't the most stable in regards to rules and regulations as it seems a lot of neighborhoods and cities are trying to figure just what to do with them.  I'd imagine that particular area you're looking at may not be as risky, but I think there are certainly some parts of the country with greater pushback against Airbnb, not just from competing businesses, but local residents and the community for reasons that I think are understandable.

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  • Zaphod
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    Just to offer a different perspective…

    I would have honestly said exactly the same thing as Zaphod prior to my wife starting our airbnb.  In fact, it was really quite a leap of faith for me to even agree to it, but, after having it up and running for nearly a year now, it’s really a non-issue.  It’s no different then living in an apartment building in terms of “risks” to your personal safety.  Our house is large enough that we never hear or see the guests and they have zero access to our side of the building unless they were to try to break down the doors.  If that were to happen it would be no different then someone trying to break in our front door or windows.  I sleep with a loaded gun in our bedroom so we’d be fine.  Plus we have a pitbull that sleeps next to our bed to alert us to any funny business like someone trying to break in.

    To each his/her own, but the fear of bad things happening just because there are strangers in your home is really unwarranted in my opinion.  I agree that I wouldn’t want to share my side of the building with strangers, but that’s because I’m an introvert and need my personal space.  But, keep in mind that true “Bed and Breakfast” establishments have existed for hundreds of years and usually operate in such a manner where the owners sleep in the same house with strangers every night (often times just down the hall, but usually with individual locks on the doors).  In fact, most older homes would have had locks on each door that could only be opened with keys for the purpose of sharing your home with travelers.  When we traveled through Europe we stayed at many B&B’s like that.  The owners would also get up in the morning and make us breakfast and chat with us a little.  It was nice and really made for a memorable experience.  We got so much more out of that kind of genuine interaction than we did on the nights we stayed in a big hotel.  It’s kind of unfortunate that our society is so fear driven these days, especially in this country.  It’s not like that everywhere else in the world.  I understand that it’s not for everyone, but it’s not a “dangerous” situation as people here have suggested.
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    I dont think there is anything wrong with your situation and is kinda perfect. I mean literally a single enclosed space and someone is just in the room/down the hall.

    A BnB is entirely different than the kind of riff raff you may get off of what is some online venture, and as you said are set up for such with provisions. Thats a true business and people come there for a purpose, lots of Air bnb room sharing is done for economics alone, different clientele.

    I've stayed in Airbnb/Vrbo so not against it, and also thought about doing a vacation area primarily this way. Still wouldnt let someone stay in my house with all access, even if the risk is low, I dont need it.

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  • hightower
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    Just to offer a different perspective...

    I would have honestly said exactly the same thing as Zaphod prior to my wife starting our airbnb.  In fact, it was really quite a leap of faith for me to even agree to it, but, after having it up and running for nearly a year now, it's really a non-issue.  It's no different then living in an apartment building in terms of "risks" to your personal safety.  Our house is large enough that we never hear or see the guests and they have zero access to our side of the building unless they were to try to break down the doors.  If that were to happen it would be no different then someone trying to break in our front door or windows.  I sleep with a loaded gun in our bedroom so we'd be fine.  Plus we have a pitbull that sleeps next to our bed to alert us to any funny business like someone trying to break in.

    To each his/her own, but the fear of bad things happening just because there are strangers in your home is really unwarranted in my opinion.  I agree that I wouldn't want to share my side of the building with strangers, but that's because I'm an introvert and need my personal space.  But, keep in mind that true "Bed and Breakfast" establishments have existed for hundreds of years and usually operate in such a manner where the owners sleep in the same house with strangers every night (often times just down the hall, but usually with individual locks on the doors).  In fact, most older homes would have had locks on each door that could only be opened with keys for the purpose of sharing your home with travelers.  When we traveled through Europe we stayed at many B&B's like that.  The owners would also get up in the morning and make us breakfast and chat with us a little.  It was nice and really made for a memorable experience.  We got so much more out of that kind of genuine interaction than we did on the nights we stayed in a big hotel.  It's kind of unfortunate that our society is so fear driven these days, especially in this country.  It's not like that everywhere else in the world.  I understand that it's not for everyone, but it's not a "dangerous" situation as people here have suggested.

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  • Zaphod
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    Ive never understood hosting what is in reality, random strangers into your own home while you are there, unless its totally partitioned etc...as some have these set ups.

    The money is okay, but I view that loss of "potential income" as insurance. No thanks. Now a duplex or vacation home, sure, makes great sense. But strangers are not going to be sleeping in the same house with me, I dont care how verified they are.

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  • PhysicianOnFIRE
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    When I was in Aspen (presumably with a family who didn’t need the money that desperately) I was in a basement with two girls under 10. That’s just insane.
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    I completely agree. That's asking for trouble. Not with you specifically, but boarders down the hall from your sons or daughters? The risks far outweigh the small financial benefit in a setup like that.

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  • Dansignal
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    Thanks for all of the thoughtful responses. My vision is a free standing home in an area ripe for rental such as near a convention venue or lake or ocean. I'm also not comfortable with and will not have a tenant under the same roof.  I've studied the Air BNB site.  They discuss the concept of co hosting where, for a fee, another established host will manage every aspect of the care and feeding of this venture. My long term goal is to have tenants buy a property for me. I'm comfortable with equity and appreciation and the occasional personal use of the property.

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  • Lithium
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    I can’t believe families let strangers sleep down the hall from kids. I literally see patients every week who get hurt that way. 
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    You actually see kids getting hurt by strangers sleeping down the hall on a weekly basis? Remind me not to take my family to wherever you live!

    AirBNB has a reviewing screening process that lets the owner approve or disapprove the tenant. You don’t know exactly what you’re getting, but a history of posiive feedback from other owners is a good start. I also wouldn’t have strangers sharing the house. Separate entrance, standalone apartment, etc… would be the way to go.
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    I guess there's a difference between complete strangers and hookups mom brings home from last call, exchange students, and distant relatives I haven't seen in over ten years, but not in how much trust I'd allow them to sleep under my roof.

    but yeah, MIL apt would be ok.  When I was in Aspen (presumably with a family who didn't need the money that desperately) I was in a basement with two girls under 10.  That's just insane.

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  • Hatton
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    I agree with vagabond my 80+ pound pit bull /great Pyrenees's would not like guests.

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  • VagabondMD
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    I am sitting in an AirBNB in Memphis, TN, as I type this. It's a duplex, with the owner living in the adjacent unit. I have stayed in other duplexes and carriage houses in the past. It seems like the ideal model for an AirBNB side hustle, for someone who otherwise has a career or is retired.

    There is no way I would have strangers in my house, and even if I (and my wife) were okay with it, the dogs would certainly not approve of such an arrangement.

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