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  • Peds
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    EMD was banned for multiple violations.
    Seems like this thread has run its course.

    gl to the OP.

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  • Anne
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    Originally posted by ENT Doc View Post
    FLP, if you are trying to get the mods to deactivate your account you just took cancel culture to a new level. Didn’t think that was possible, but nothing surprises me these days.

    BTW, why did Entrepreneur MD get booted?
    Perhaps because he sent forum participants threatening PMs? Just a theory.

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  • jacoavlu
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    Originally posted by ENT Doc View Post
    FLP, if you are trying to get the mods to deactivate your account you just took cancel culture to a new level. Didn’t think that was possible, but nothing surprises me these days.

    BTW, why did Entrepreneur MD get booted?
    I think one of the mods just got tired of him. As annoying as he was I have expressed my opinion that I don’t agree with such a move. For a number of reasons.

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  • jacoavlu
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    Originally posted by AR View Post

    But I don't get why you have mixed feelings. If I'm right, then giving notice ASAP helps him. If I'm wrong, it doesn't matter whether he gives notice or not (either way the result is similar). Hence, giving notice now is the superior course of action.
    OP said they were still negotiating terms for new position. Contract is not in hand. Immediate action probably requires some concessions, to quickly get a signed contract. And I'm sure we agree OP should have a signed contract before giving notice with current position. So that's at least one downside.

    Giving notice sooner is the more aggressive approach. And that may be the right move. I just don't see it as cut and dry.

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  • MPMD
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    Originally posted by ENT Doc View Post
    FLP, if you are trying to get the mods to deactivate your account you just took cancel culture to a new level. Didn’t think that was possible, but nothing surprises me these days.

    BTW, why did Entrepreneur MD get booted?
    i am really curious about this too.

    he was far from my favorite regular and i think he was frankly dishonest most of the time but i never saw anything that was even a TOS violation that i can remember?

    i did at times suspect that he was a sock puppet with some kind of weird prosperity Gospel agenda, so if he did get banned by mods my guess would be that it was for misinformation about returns and investment strategies.

    as an example: i think the mods would consider banning someone who constantly posted about how we were all dumb and 100% BTC was the only portfolio because that is so out of line with the mission of the WCI empire.

    as far as FLP goes, i enjoy most of his posts but it does sound like he benefits from periodic breaks and now might be a good time to take them.

    ENTDoc it looks like the MPMD vs. ENTDoc rivalry is now the #1 WCIF rivalry once again!! congrats for being back on top old buddy! i already sent you an AOC 2024 shirt as a congratulations gift.

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  • ENT Doc
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    FLP, if you are trying to get the mods to deactivate your account you just took cancel culture to a new level. Didn’t think that was possible, but nothing surprises me these days.

    BTW, why did Entrepreneur MD get booted?

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  • AR
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    Originally posted by StarTrekDoc View Post

    Preemptive sure - taking action before a perceived threat is realized. This is an option - if it were availed to reasonable people. My sense is that this administration isn't this.
    If they're not reasonable, then it makes no sense that delaying giving notice will help him in any way.

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  • StarTrekDoc
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    Originally posted by AR View Post

    I don't get this at all. He is going to have to give notice at some point. If giving notice is going to sour the relationship, then there is no escaping that. You think that if he gives notice after the meeting it's going to be substantially better for him? Why?

    He also, supposedly, has no idea what the meeting is about. There is nothing "pre-emptive" about it. Especially since OP was looking for a job long before he even heard about the meeting.

    He just tells them an amazing opportunity came up, he struggled with the decision, but in the end they gave him such favorable terms that he couldn't refuse. Throw in some stuff about how he will do everything he can to ensure a smooth transition and he's fine (or at least as fine as he is going to be). The meeting is not acknowledged or mentioned.

    If they still decide to have it, then of course he should not blow it off. But there is a great chance they will just drop it.
    Preemptive sure - taking action before a perceived threat is realized. This is an option - if it were availed to reasonable people. My sense is that this administration isn't this.

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  • AR
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    Originally posted by StarTrekDoc View Post
    . I don't believe you should premptively strike with the notice. There is a chance of disclosure, but your future job still brings you to this hospital it seems per prior responses so privileges still are in play here. I don't know if a notice and flipping off the meeting is advisable with that in consideration.
    I don't get this at all. He is going to have to give notice at some point. If giving notice is going to sour the relationship, then there is no escaping that. You think that if he gives notice after the meeting it's going to be substantially better for him? Why?

    He also, supposedly, has no idea what the meeting is about. There is nothing "pre-emptive" about it. Especially since OP was looking for a job long before he even heard about the meeting.

    He just tells them an amazing opportunity came up, he struggled with the decision, but in the end they gave him such favorable terms that he couldn't refuse. Throw in some stuff about how he will do everything he can to ensure a smooth transition and he's fine (or at least as fine as he is going to be). The meeting is not acknowledged or mentioned.

    If they still decide to have it, then of course he should not blow it off. But there is a great chance they will just drop it.

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  • StarTrekDoc
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    FLP signed off twice already only to come back. Admit it -- WCI is addictive Why? Despite the common thread of financial goals, we represent a WIDE range of opinions, come from a varied background and experiences. Yet most conversations remain remarkably civil and even keeled--much more than the average physician lounge I bet.

    I oftentimes are very much at odds with FLP and find his antics and most recent attempt of respect and humility somewhat hallow given prior attitudes -- but viewpoints can evolve. He absolutely has a place here and I welcome his input as well as anyone else's. We are better off with a vibrant exchange than an echo chamber.

    OP - I don't believe you should premptively strike with the notice. There is a chance of disclosure, but your future job still brings you to this hospital it seems per prior responses so privileges still are in play here. I don't know if a notice and flipping off the meeting is advisable with that in consideration.

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  • AR
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    Originally posted by jacoavlu View Post

    you could be entirely correct. As I said, mixed feelings.
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    But I don't get why you have mixed feelings. If I'm right, then giving notice ASAP helps him. If I'm wrong, it doesn't matter whether he gives notice or not (either way the result is similar). Hence, giving notice now is the superior course of action.

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  • TheDangerZone
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    Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

    Didn't you do this before after the Rolex debacle?

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    Was that a different hiatus than the time he posted a farewell poem after people started complaining about the constant back and forth between he and EMD?

    FLP, this isn’t an airport. You don’t have to announce your departure. All the best.

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  • MaxPower
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    Originally posted by VentAlarm View Post

    EMD got banned? Wow. What’d he do that was finally over the limit? I feel like the mods are super quick to close a thread but very cautious about banning people.
    Don’t know. I put that guy on mute a long time ago. My enjoyment of this forum went up about 95% when I no longer had to see his self-aggrandizing, delusional drivel.
    Last edited by MaxPower; 03-02-2021, 08:53 PM.

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  • jacoavlu
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    Originally posted by AR View Post

    If they never inform him of it, then he has no reporting requirement. He can't report on what he does not know.



    He still has absolutely no idea what the meeting is about. They could be meeting to tell him they're going to give him a raise. It could be about anything. Moreover, it sounds like OP had made the decision to leave long before he was even told of the meeting.

    You are correct, that they might make whatever process play out anyway. But if he gives notice, there is a chance that it does not. If he doesn't, then whatever it is definitely moves forward. If he's certain to leave, why not play the percentages.




    That's a lot of work for someone to do. Especially if the doc is leaving. People are lazy. Unless they really want to stick it to this guy, I don't see them doing it. Anything is possible, but it seems unlikely.
    you could be entirely correct. As I said, mixed feelings.

    but remember admin will be in cover their own ****************** mode. If it’s an employee complaint, and OP resigns but keeps working there, i don’t see admin brushing aside complaint. Lest the complainer double down and complain about being ignored.

    the only time I see situations dropped (behavioral and clinical) is when the subject is gone altogether. And even then, a letter still ends up in a file.

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  • MaxPower
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    Originally posted by VagabondMD View Post

    I will bite. I disagree with flp about 75% of the time, sometimes vehemently. Even when I disagree, strongly, he does make me take time to consider the opposite viewpoint. I think his often contrary perspective is necessary for a balanced discussion, even though I might not agree with the point or the presentation. So I will beg.
    Perhaps, but ironic that the thing he criticized many of us for doing (without knowing what really happened or how it actually played out) is how he acted towards many on this forum, and a lot in this very thread.

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