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  • Craigy
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    Please don’t buy a prius.

    Check out the toyota avalon and the lexus ES.  You could also get a few years used for some savings.  We have a few years old ES350, super reliable and spouse likes the heated everything..

    Admission, somewhat of a car guy.  Also, man both my recommendations are pretty ugly in recent years (OMG the grills).  But since you don’t want something flashy..
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    Care to elaborate?  I’m considering something like a prius or hyundai Ioniq.
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    They're depressing.

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  • mxg67
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    Please don’t buy a prius.

    Check out the toyota avalon and the lexus ES.  You could also get a few years used for some savings.  We have a few years old ES350, super reliable and spouse likes the heated everything..

    Admission, somewhat of a car guy.  Also, man both my recommendations are pretty ugly in recent years (OMG the grills).  But since you don’t want something flashy..
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    Care to elaborate?  I'm considering something like a prius or hyundai Ioniq.

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  • MPMD
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    Be careful buying a Honda. They tend to become part of the family, even nicknames.

    2007 CRV
    2008 Accord
    2012 Accord
    2013 Civic (replaced 2003 Civic).

    Services were held for the 2003 Civic in 2013. Civey was rear ended sitting in a left hand turn lane in Austin Texas. The right rear frame was completely collapsed 90 degrees to absorb the impact as designed. The ultimate sacrifice of a ten year veteran protecting my 2 kids through high school and college.
    Sound effect: Sniffle, sniffle.

    Getting rid of a Honda can be difficult.
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    Asked my excellent mechanic what the best cars were.

    He sort of smiled and said "Toyota/Honda, Nissan .... then everything else."

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  • Tim
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    Be careful buying a Honda. They tend to become part of the family, even nicknames.

    2007 CRV
    2008 Accord
    2012 Accord
    2013 Civic (replaced 2003 Civic).

    Services were held for the 2003 Civic in 2013. Civey was rear ended sitting in a left hand turn lane in Austin Texas. The right rear frame was completely collapsed 90 degrees to absorb the impact as designed. The ultimate sacrifice of a ten year veteran protecting my 2 kids through high school and college.
    Sound effect: Sniffle, sniffle.

    Getting rid of a Honda can be difficult.

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  • Kamban
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    IMO: Buy new, savings on a used Camry aren’t worth it, especially if you can shop hard and get a good deal.
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    Agree. You like to run it to the ground. So buy new. Used Honda and Toyota are not that much depreciated to buy used. Pay a bit more and buy new and use for 10+ years. I have a 18 year Accord and 11 year Camry Hybrid and both run very well. I even like the Hybrid more than the 2017 Acura MDX Hybrid we have.

    Don't go for Volvo, Audi, Mercedes or BMW or Porsche. You are not a car guy and these cars bleed money in maintenance, repairs and parts.

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  • childay
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    Please don't buy a prius.

    Check out the toyota avalon and the lexus ES.  You could also get a few years used for some savings.  We have a few years old ES350, super reliable and spouse likes the heated everything..

    Admission, somewhat of a car guy.  Also, man both my recommendations are pretty ugly in recent years (OMG the grills).  But since you don't want something flashy..

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  • DMFA
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    I love Toyota, but I’m not seeing much love for Ford here; so thought I’d throw this one out for you – Our current car is a 2012 Ford Fusion Hybrid and we love the thing.  It’s got all the bells and whistles, a tank of gas lasts 2-3 weeks with an everyday commute, costs less than $30 to fill up if we use our grocery store’s gas station, and the price was under $30k brand new back in 2012.  It’s six years old now and still going strong.

    No idea if the current crop is as good as back then, but I was a die-hard Toyota owner before this, and now I’ll at least look at Ford again when we need a new car.
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    i mean, i wouldn’t….since support is kinda gonna be lacking.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cars-being-discontinued-in-2018-2019-2020-2018-8
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    Wow, zero sedans, just a Focus hatchback and the 'Stang?  I can't imagine that includes Lincolns, too...

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  • Doc Spouse
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    i mean, i wouldn’t….since support is kinda gonna be lacking.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cars-being-discontinued-in-2018-2019-2020-2018-8
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    Bah!  Figures....

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  • Peds
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    I love Toyota, but I’m not seeing much love for Ford here; so thought I’d throw this one out for you – Our current car is a 2012 Ford Fusion Hybrid and we love the thing.  It’s got all the bells and whistles, a tank of gas lasts 2-3 weeks with an everyday commute, costs less than $30 to fill up if we use our grocery store’s gas station, and the price was under $30k brand new back in 2012.  It’s six years old now and still going strong.

    No idea if the current crop is as good as back then, but I was a die-hard Toyota owner before this, and now I’ll at least look at Ford again when we need a new car.
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    i mean, i wouldn't....since support is kinda gonna be lacking.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cars-being-discontinued-in-2018-2019-2020-2018-8

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  • Doc Spouse
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    I love Toyota, but I'm not seeing much love for Ford here; so thought I'd throw this one out for you - Our current car is a 2012 Ford Fusion Hybrid and we love the thing.  It's got all the bells and whistles, a tank of gas lasts 2-3 weeks with an everyday commute, costs less than $30 to fill up if we use our grocery store's gas station, and the price was under $30k brand new back in 2012.  It's six years old now and still going strong.

    No idea if the current crop is as good as back then, but I was a die-hard Toyota owner before this, and now I'll at least look at Ford again when we need a new car.

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  • Anne
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    Only problem with Accords is that they just won't die.  So if you are the type that likes to drive cars into the ground, make sure you like it, because you are going to have it for a very long time.

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  • Dr P
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    My vote is a Toyota. I just passed the ten year mark on my Corolla and plan on driving it for as many years as it'll last.
    Even though I like the idea of driving a Tesla, I like traveling more.

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  • NaOH
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    911

    Do it. Make us proud.



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    #YOLO

     


    If you don’t want something horribly ugly (sorry 2018+ Accord owners)
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    Them's fightin' words.

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  • Craigy
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    If you want to keep it forever, the answers are only Honda or Toyota.

    If you don’t want an SUV, the answers are only Accord or Camry.

    If you don’t want something horribly ugly (sorry 2018+ Accord owners), the remaining answer is Camry.

    IMO:  Buy new, savings on a used Camry aren’t worth it, especially if you can shop hard and get a good deal.  Don’t get a hybrid, the break-even cost wise never really happens.
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    2018 Accord looks better than the 2018 Camry.  I like the “fastback” design like the Audi A7, but not quite as tapered.  Camry is a bit boxy and that stupid Entune software in the dash sucks…gotta have Android Auto or CarPlay.  But those are pure opinion; it’s OK to disagree with me.

    I’m driving about 80 mi/day in California, so the hybrid does actually help me a bit.  I get about 44 mpg, which is about 10 mpg better than the all-gas, and with gas being about $3.30/gal out here, that’s about 3.3 $/1 gal * 1 gal/44 mi = 0.075 $/mi vs 3.3 $/1 gal * 1 gal/34 mi = 0.097 $/mi, or 2.2 cents/mile.  At 400 mi/wk, that’s $8.80/wk or $38.13/mo, which financed over 60 months at 3% is a purchase price difference of $2,122 assuming it’s only owned for 5 years.

    The longer you own the car, assuming the electric motor isn’t the source of any additional needed repairs which the gas motor isn’t at fault, assuming 15,000 mi/year, you’d save another $330/yr in gas at that spread assuming price stays the same, obv more if it gets more expensive and vice versa.  The other thing to hybrids is that their city mileage, without needing much acceleration and with frequent regenerative braking, is actually better than highway mileage unlike full-gas engines, so if you’re driving lots of city miles, the hybrid will have a slightly higher advantage…but it’s going to take a pretty narrow cost spread – prob no more than $3-4K – to make the hybrid more “worth it.”

    Some models have the same price for a hybrid as the full-gas, like the Fusion/MK-Z, where your only decision is power vs efficiency.
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    Agree, entune is pretty awful.

    But you are dead wrong on the Accord being better looking.   :lol:  

    400 mi/week is a lot of driving, but yeah this boils down to the driver's particular situation, particular car, math.

    Another thing to consider is that occasionally the hybrid model takes premium while the non-hybrid takes regular.  Around here that's about 70 cents/gallon difference and can wipe out the fuel savings altogether.  I don't believe that applies to the Honda or Toyota though.

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  • DMFA
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    If you want to keep it forever, the answers are only Honda or Toyota.

    If you don’t want an SUV, the answers are only Accord or Camry.

    If you don’t want something horribly ugly (sorry 2018+ Accord owners), the remaining answer is Camry.

    IMO:  Buy new, savings on a used Camry aren’t worth it, especially if you can shop hard and get a good deal.  Don’t get a hybrid, the break-even cost wise never really happens.
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    2018 Accord looks better than the 2018 Camry.  I like the "fastback" design like the Audi A7, but not quite as tapered.  Camry is a bit boxy and that stupid Entune software in the dash sucks...gotta have Android Auto or CarPlay.  But those are pure opinion; it's OK to disagree with me.

    I'm driving about 80 mi/day in California, so the hybrid does actually help me a bit.  I get about 44 mpg, which is about 10 mpg better than the all-gas, and with gas being about $3.30/gal out here, that's about 3.3 $/1 gal * 1 gal/44 mi = 0.075 $/mi vs 3.3 $/1 gal * 1 gal/34 mi = 0.097 $/mi, or 2.2 cents/mile.  At 400 mi/wk, that's $8.80/wk or $38.13/mo, which financed over 60 months at 3% is a purchase price difference of $2,122 assuming it's only owned for 5 years.

    The longer you own the car, assuming the electric motor isn't the source of any additional needed repairs which the gas motor isn't at fault, assuming 15,000 mi/year, you'd save another $330/yr in gas at that spread assuming price stays the same, obv more if it gets more expensive and vice versa.  The other thing to hybrids is that their city mileage, without needing much acceleration and with frequent regenerative braking, is actually better than highway mileage unlike full-gas engines, so if you're driving lots of city miles, the hybrid will have a slightly higher advantage...but it's going to take a pretty narrow cost spread - prob no more than $3-4K - to make the hybrid more "worth it."

    Some models have the same price for a hybrid as the full-gas, like the Fusion/MK-Z, where your only decision is power vs efficiency.

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