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    physicians are terrible at business. Yes a generalization but it really applies to most. Mistakes I have observed or experienced first hand:

    1. Expectations of a life style that is unrealistic. When hiring junior associates, I started by considering I was really hiring partners but quickly realized most candidates were more interested in deals that limited work hrs and maximized immediate pay. They would except a lot less compensation by taking a larger salary but either delayed or no partnership tract. An extra dollar today meant a lot more than 3 dollars more in 3 years. I started my own practice and built it up. Broke even my first year but was far ahead of where I would have been after 3 years if I became a junior associate. I lived far above my means without a savings plan that was proportional to my salary. I would always advise living below your means. I built a mansion in an expensive part of an expensive Real estate market with a large mortgage. I lucked out with two real estate deals that allowed me to reduce my debt to just 800K. An extremely smart move on my part.

    2. Most physicians will borrow whatever they can regardless of the type of deal offered. Why do you all receive offers every month for signature loans?  Thank god I never bought on credit. People leasing cars will justify getting more expensive cars than if they paid cash. Being able to afford larger car payments is not jusification to buying “more car” than you need.  My group rented a new office and had to pay for the build out. I wanted to pay cash for the buildout but if they could not was willing to take a loan for the funds.  They elected to rent 30% more square footage than they needed and did not build that out. This gave them enough of a buildout allowance so they did not have to pay any funds. However, they paid 30% more rent over 7 years. A stupid decision that cost a lot more. I separated from the group after a year and left them with the rent.

    3. As most physicians I worked way too hard. 80 hr weeks without vacations. You can work too hard and not leave yourself time to look for other opportunities. On a rare day off, I bought a lot next to my home that did not support a septic field. I paid 25000 down with the rest (100,000) due in 5 years. My neighbor across the street paid for the sewer to be brought in and he gave me access to it. That allowed me to sell the property for 500000 since a home could be built on it. Another example was my first vacation at a local beach. Recognized opportunity when I bought a large beach home.  Real estate was in a slump then. Sold if for double the price 3 years later. Both of these deals were how I was able to pay down the mortgage I mentioned above. Luck...of course but it would not have happened if I kept up my work schedule.

    4.  My only savings in 20 years was the equity in my home and a keogh plan with about 300,000 in it. To some may have represented a lot but no where what it should have been with my yearly salary. Of course 2008 knocked down the value in my home so the two real estate deals represented almost all the equity in my home. I should have been living a lot lower than my salary allowed so I could have been saving and avoided a ************************ of a lot of stress in my life.  I once again got extremely lucky.  IN 2011 I put my entire keogh in a single investment.  I never appreciated how precarious my situation was but bought stock and options in tesla. I DO NOT ADVISE ANYONE ELSE TO DO THIS. If worked out for me. I made over 20 million dollars.  I retired 4 years ago and sold my home. Built a smaller home and did so without a mortgage. Will never take out a loan and enjoy not paying out any loans.

    I never appreciated how precariously I was living. Two years after retirement I had a stroke. If I hadn’t won the investment lottery I would have really not been able to afford my retirement. Lesions learned

    live below your means

    be reluctant to borrow

    look at total cost/benefit of contracts or deals you make

    pay off loans you take early

    dont develop tunnel vision. Your income is only dependent on how hard you work if you lack imagination.

    Dont work so hard that you miss out on life. Your health should never be taken for granted

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    Sounds far fetched to make 70x your money in three years in TSLA, but good for you if it's true.  Were you investigated by the SEC?  How'd it go?

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    • #3
      I am sorry you had a stroke.  I hope you still have a meaningful life.  Your words of wisdom I can also recommend.  If you can't pay cash don't buy it.

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        Sounds far fetched to make 70x your money in three years in TSLA, but good for you if it’s true.  Were you investigated by the SEC?  How’d it go?
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        He said he bought options. TSLA went up 10x in stock price alone in only a couple years. If you bought even ATM calls, let alone the farthest OTM ones, sold some ATM puts, etc...easily doable (you know if everything goes right!). Definitely not a recommended course of action as 99,999/100,000 thats at best a total loss on the options and great under performance with a ton of risk.

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          Sounds far fetched to make 70x your money in three years in TSLA, but good for you if it’s true.  Were you investigated by the SEC?  How’d it go?
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          He said he bought options. TSLA went up 10x in stock price alone in only a couple years. If you bought even ATM calls, let alone the farthest OTM ones, sold some ATM puts, etc…easily doable (you know if everything goes right!). Definitely not a recommended course of action as 99,999/100,000 thats at best a total loss on the options and great under performance with a ton of risk.
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          I agree it's possible, but you have to have perfect timing.  Very hard to make 70x on long dated options since the longer the time horizon, the higher the option value.   Making 70x on short dated options is also hard because TSLA didn't go straight up, so if buying short term options, there would likely be some losses as well.  SEC routinely investigates traders who buy inexpensive, out of the money options and subsequently make a killing.  There is almost no volume on these options, so investigating them is easy if someone made a large buy.

          For example, this guy was arrested for insider trading after buying ADT options before an acquisition was announced.  According to the complaint, he was the only person trading the options on some days.  The guy invested $24k and made $1.5M.  He traded in his mom's account, so that was nice of him.

           

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            Sounds far fetched to make 70x your money in three years in TSLA, but good for you if it’s true.  Were you investigated by the SEC?  How’d it go?
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            He said he bought options. TSLA went up 10x in stock price alone in only a couple years. If you bought even ATM calls, let alone the farthest OTM ones, sold some ATM puts, etc…easily doable (you know if everything goes right!). Definitely not a recommended course of action as 99,999/100,000 thats at best a total loss on the options and great under performance with a ton of risk.
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            I agree it’s possible, but you have to have perfect timing.  Very hard to make 70x on long dated options since the longer the time horizon, the higher the option value.   Making 70x on short dated options is also hard because TSLA didn’t go straight up, so if buying short term options, there would likely be some losses as well.  SEC routinely investigates traders who buy inexpensive, out of the money options and subsequently make a killing.  There is almost no volume on these options, so investigating them is easy if someone made a large buy.

            For example, this guy was arrested for insider trading after buying ADT options before an acquisition was announced.  According to the complaint, he was the only person trading the options on some days.  The guy invested $24k and made $1.5M.  He traded in his mom’s account, so that was nice of him.

             
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            Haha, that was nice of him. ADT IPO'd today funnily enough. Wonder if he is trading it in jail.

            Yes, and given the time frame, tsla didnt explode until 2013 so any calls would have for the most part expired worthless even if 2y out. Maybe there was a covered call selling program, selling puts or it was over a lot longer time frame then we're interpreting it as. Its possible over the last 7 years I guess, buy you'd likely have to quite gracefully know when to change strategies from selling to buying.

            You do have to get things timed correctly for those kind of moves which is hard to do unless you have insider info or are just lucky no fault of your own.

            At least I learned you can do whatever you want as long as you win the lottery.

             

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            • #7
              Unless someone is a degenerate gambler, it is hard to keep saying "let it ride" as you turn your total liquid net worth of $300k into huge sums of money.  Most people would take chips off the table at $400k, $500k, $600k, $1M, $5M, $10M, etc. Most people don't blow through all those milestones and say, "Well, I finally hit my goal of $20M, so I am going to cash out here."

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                Unless someone is a degenerate gambler, it is hard to keep saying “let it ride” as you turn your total liquid net worth of $300k into huge sums of money.  Most people would take chips off the table at $400k, $500k, $600k, $1M, $5M, $10M, etc. Most people don’t blow through all those milestones and say, “Well, I finally hit my goal of $20M, so I am going to cash out here.”
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                exactly.  or they then think they are an investment genius and take that money and try to get another 10 bagger and lose it all.

                 

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                • #9
                  Wait. OP - whining, wants a pat on the back or is advising? confused. #fridaytrollin

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                  • #10
                    Your missing the points of the post. Most are focused on how options could result in returns like that. Will give you an example of one trade. Tsla at 25. Almost everyone antcipating bk of company. I thought otherwise. I had test driven modelS prior to delivery of anyone’s but signature cars. I could not believe my experience.  Read Musks history and  Bought options strike 50 for 18 months out. There were 330 contracts with open interest I owned 305. They cost from 1.5 upto 2. I stopped buying more because I could not figure out what the market knew that I didn’t. The price of the stock was over 150 at the option maturity. From there continued to buy further options. I am sorry to have everyone focus on that aspect. It was remarkable experience but the advise I was giving was not how to make a fortune but how to better manage your finances

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                      Unless someone is a degenerate gambler, it is hard to keep saying “let it ride” as you turn your total liquid net worth of $300k into huge sums of money.  Most people would take chips off the table at $400k, $500k, $600k, $1M, $5M, $10M, etc. Most people don’t blow through all those milestones and say, “Well, I finally hit my goal of $20M, so I am going to cash out here.”
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                      Oh I agree with this. I actually think this is one of the hardest things in investing, letting big winners run. I have clipped myself most of the time something fierce. Sure you avoid the painful round trip, but its really underappreciated how difficult it is to hold onto a big winner.

                      Its a goal this year of mine to improve, though I've already failed a bit at it. Then again the market has a sharpe ratio of 20 and is annualizing at 130%.

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                        Your missing the points of the post. Most are focused on how options could result in returns like that. Will give you an example of one trade. Tsla at 25. Almost everyone antcipating bk of company. I thought otherwise. I had test driven modelS prior to delivery of anyone’s but signature cars. I could not believe my experience.  Read Musks history and  Bought options strike 50 for 18 months out. There were 330 contracts with open interest I owned 305. They cost from 1.5 upto 2. I stopped buying more because I could not figure out what the market knew that I didn’t. The price of the stock was over 150 at the option maturity. From there continued to buy further options. I am sorry to have everyone focus on that aspect. It was remarkable experience but the advise I was giving was not how to make a fortune but how to better manage your finances
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                        And you held them to maturity? Holy, thats impressive.

                        I dont do a lot of leaps, I want to do more, but never single stocks. I've had plenty of times where I was 90%+ the open interest in an option, but again indexes and theres no available insider info to even be at risk for.

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                        • #13
                          Not really intention was to convert the options to shares. Would get weekly calls from scwab asking me if I knew what I was doing. Got so annoyed I switched brokerages

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                            Your missing the points of the post. Most are focused on how options could result in returns like that. Will give you an example of one trade. Tsla at 25. Almost everyone antcipating bk of company. I thought otherwise. I had test driven modelS prior to delivery of anyone’s but signature cars. I could not believe my experience.  Read Musks history and  Bought options strike 50 for 18 months out. There were 330 contracts with open interest I owned 305. They cost from 1.5 upto 2. I stopped buying more because I could not figure out what the market knew that I didn’t. The price of the stock was over 150 at the option maturity. From there continued to buy further options. I am sorry to have everyone focus on that aspect. It was remarkable experience but the advise I was giving was not how to make a fortune but how to better manage your finances
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                            You post about turning your entire liquid net worth of $300k into $20M by buying options despite never really investing in the market before and think anyone will focus on anything else?

                            Tesla raised $200M in 2011 and had a market cap of $3B when it was last trading in the 20's.  No one thought it was going to BK.  It only IPO'ed in June of 2010.

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                              Your missing the points of the post. Most are focused on how options could result in returns like that. Will give you an example of one trade. Tsla at 25. Almost everyone antcipating bk of company. I thought otherwise. I had test driven modelS prior to delivery of anyone’s but signature cars. I could not believe my experience.  Read Musks history and  Bought options strike 50 for 18 months out. There were 330 contracts with open interest I owned 305. They cost from 1.5 upto 2. I stopped buying more because I could not figure out what the market knew that I didn’t. The price of the stock was over 150 at the option maturity. From there continued to buy further options. I am sorry to have everyone focus on that aspect. It was remarkable experience but the advise I was giving was not how to make a fortune but how to better manage your finances
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                              You post about turning your entire liquid net worth of $300k into $20M by buying options despite never really investing in the market before and think anyone will focus on anything else?

                              Tesla raised $200M in 2011 and had a market cap of $3B when it was last trading in the 20’s.  No one thought it was going to BK.  It only IPO’ed in June of 2010.
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                              In fairness everyone has always worried about Tesla and never thought much of them, and in total fairness, as soon as the liquidity tap turns off they will absolutely go bankrupt.

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