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  • #16
    I would recommend that you not respond (neither confirm, deny, or acknowledge in any way) to any speculation about your chosen field. It is a very small world. The internet is less anonymous than one might hope.

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    • #17




      I would recommend that you not respond (neither confirm, deny, or acknowledge in any way) to any speculation about your chosen field. It is a very small world. The internet is less anonymous than one might hope.
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      Point taken. My response has been edited to remove any speculation regarding the OP's specialty.

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      • #18
        Adding to the chorus, you would be crazy not to apply to and interview for other jobs.  I would even go so far as to interview for other academic jobs to see what offers are out there.  At the very least you can use these as a comparison for your current offer to see if you feel inclined to negotiate anything.  And considering your field seems small, I would definitely keep it to yourself regarding what field/specialty you are applying to.  Be as anonymous as possible, its a small world out there, especially in academics.

        And I would say there is almost always room for negotiation, even if its just a signing bonus, relocation fees, etc.  For an academic job, there is no negotiation in terms of the insurance coverage, employer matches, etc, but you can always ask for more money, bonuses, and demand more protected time.

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        • #19
          Thanks for all the advice everyone. I've spoken to a lot of others and the prevailing sentiment has been the same. It's very nice to have a plan B that I would be very happy with, even if only as a short term situation. I've reached out to a lot of practices in the area, some of which have expressed interest though it's still very early for most of them to give me anything concrete. Still, I'm glad I'm going through the process/motions and I'm definitely learning a ton by doing so.

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          • #20
            So I am about to accept an offer that was not the initial academic offer this thread was posted about and I figured I'd post an update.

            After the initial discussion about the academic job I took the advice in this thread and went through the job search. My SO and I narrowed down some areas we may be interested in and I applied to several jobs in those areas. I also attempted to make contact with some of the private groups in my current city. We were pretty selective in that we really only applied to cities we would want to live in and so I wound up doing 2 phone interviews at places that weren't really for me and going on 2 other on site interviews in the northeast. I also made contact with several private groups in town and wound up speaking to one that wasn't really looking for someone but realized that it was time for them to look to the future.

            I was honest and open with my home program and told them I was looking into other opportunities. It wasn't even until December when I finally went through a formal interview process (they were literally my last interview). I got a total of 4 job offers (2 in my current town and 2 in the northeast) at varying times. I turned down one job in the northeast about a month ago because it wasn't for me and, after receiving a formal offer from my home program and a program in town in rapid succession in the middle of January I decided to turn down my home program. This past Friday I received and decided to accept an offer in a major urban center in the northeast.

            Before going through this process I would have never expected to get the offer I did in the city I did. The whole process also gave me a lot of perspective, made me realize what my priorities were, and put me in a position to actually choose a place that I felt was best for me rather than feeling like I settled. The opportunities really ran the gamut.

            1) Easy academic job in a system i knew and a city I was happy in with fairly good compensation (mid 300s) but with some sense of inertia and perpetually low morale, not much growth potential, and not a long term prospect

            2) Private practice job in a city I wasn't excited about but with a group of people I really liked working with, a competitive starting salary (low 300s) and good long term prospects (500s)

            3) An eat what you kill private practice job in a city I was happy in that wasn't really looking for someone, I wasn't super enthusiastic about, no mentorship, unknown starting salary, poor benefits, vague vacation, and I would need to hustle but very high income potential (600s-800s)

            4) An easy private practice job in a city I will love, closer to family, in a practice I love, with a decent salary (mid 300s) and fair long term prospects (probably low 400s)

            I wound up choosing #4 knowing that if i decide it's not for me in a few years, #1 and #3 will probably still be available for me. I decided that the only attractive thing about #3 was the money and it wasn't an ideal opportunity for me as a new physician. Overall, I'm ecstatic with the opportunity I have and am really happy I went through the process if for no other reason than to see what else is out there and feel like I was the one making the decision rather than just falling into something easy. I just wanted to thank you all for the advice here!

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            • #21
              Congratulations!

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              • #22




                So I am about to accept an offer that was not the initial academic offer this thread was posted about and I figured I’d post an update.

                After the initial discussion about the academic job I took the advice in this thread and went through the job search. My SO and I narrowed down some areas we may be interested in and I applied to several jobs in those areas. I also attempted to make contact with some of the private groups in my current city. We were pretty selective in that we really only applied to cities we would want to live in and so I wound up doing 2 phone interviews at places that weren’t really for me and going on 2 other on site interviews in the northeast. I also made contact with several private groups in town and wound up speaking to one that wasn’t really looking for someone but realized that it was time for them to look to the future.

                I was honest and open with my home program and told them I was looking into other opportunities. It wasn’t even until December when I finally went through a formal interview process (they were literally my last interview). I got a total of 4 job offers (2 in my current town and 2 in the northeast) at varying times. I turned down one job in the northeast about a month ago because it wasn’t for me and, after receiving a formal offer from my home program and a program in town in rapid succession in the middle of January I decided to turn down my home program. This past Friday I received and decided to accept an offer in a major urban center in the northeast.

                Before going through this process I would have never expected to get the offer I did in the city I did. The whole process also gave me a lot of perspective, made me realize what my priorities were, and put me in a position to actually choose a place that I felt was best for me rather than feeling like I settled. The opportunities really ran the gamut.

                1) Easy academic job in a system i knew and a city I was happy in with fairly good compensation (mid 300s) but with some sense of inertia and perpetually low morale, not much growth potential, and not a long term prospect

                2) Private practice job in a city I wasn’t excited about but with a group of people I really liked working with, a competitive starting salary (low 300s) and good long term prospects (500s)

                3) An eat what you kill private practice job in a city I was happy in that wasn’t really looking for someone, I wasn’t super enthusiastic about, no mentorship, unknown starting salary, poor benefits, vague vacation, and I would need to hustle but very high income potential (600s-800s)

                4) An easy private practice job in a city I will love, closer to family, in a practice I love, with a decent salary (mid 300s) and fair long term prospects (probably low 400s)

                I wound up choosing #4 knowing that if i decide it’s not for me in a few years, #1 and #3 will probably still be available for me. I decided that the only attractive thing about #3 was the money and it wasn’t an ideal opportunity for me as a new physician. Overall, I’m ecstatic with the opportunity I have and am really happy I went through the process if for no other reason than to see what else is out there and feel like I was the one making the decision rather than just falling into something easy. I just wanted to thank you all for the advice here!
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                Congrats and great work doing all this and really exploring your options. Very few do that.

                Number 3 feels risky as a new physician, but you will never have less obligations than now. Those vague jobs with no real benefits often turn out to be the best opportunities. Who knows how these salary ranges in any of the PP opportunities really pan out of course, and family in the area is super important.

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                • #23
                  Sounds like you did a good job exploring the opportunities and made a wise choice. Well done.

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                  • #24




                    So I am about to accept an offer that was not the initial academic offer this thread was posted about and I figured I’d post an update.

                    After the initial discussion about the academic job I took the advice in this thread and went through the job search. My SO and I narrowed down some areas we may be interested in and I applied to several jobs in those areas. I also attempted to make contact with some of the private groups in my current city. We were pretty selective in that we really only applied to cities we would want to live in and so I wound up doing 2 phone interviews at places that weren’t really for me and going on 2 other on site interviews in the northeast. I also made contact with several private groups in town and wound up speaking to one that wasn’t really looking for someone but realized that it was time for them to look to the future.

                    I was honest and open with my home program and told them I was looking into other opportunities. It wasn’t even until December when I finally went through a formal interview process (they were literally my last interview). I got a total of 4 job offers (2 in my current town and 2 in the northeast) at varying times. I turned down one job in the northeast about a month ago because it wasn’t for me and, after receiving a formal offer from my home program and a program in town in rapid succession in the middle of January I decided to turn down my home program. This past Friday I received and decided to accept an offer in a major urban center in the northeast.

                    Before going through this process I would have never expected to get the offer I did in the city I did. The whole process also gave me a lot of perspective, made me realize what my priorities were, and put me in a position to actually choose a place that I felt was best for me rather than feeling like I settled. The opportunities really ran the gamut.

                    1) Easy academic job in a system i knew and a city I was happy in with fairly good compensation (mid 300s) but with some sense of inertia and perpetually low morale, not much growth potential, and not a long term prospect

                    2) Private practice job in a city I wasn’t excited about but with a group of people I really liked working with, a competitive starting salary (low 300s) and good long term prospects (500s)

                    3) An eat what you kill private practice job in a city I was happy in that wasn’t really looking for someone, I wasn’t super enthusiastic about, no mentorship, unknown starting salary, poor benefits, vague vacation, and I would need to hustle but very high income potential (600s-800s)

                    4) An easy private practice job in a city I will love, closer to family, in a practice I love, with a decent salary (mid 300s) and fair long term prospects (probably low 400s)

                    I wound up choosing #4 knowing that if i decide it’s not for me in a few years, #1 and #3 will probably still be available for me. I decided that the only attractive thing about #3 was the money and it wasn’t an ideal opportunity for me as a new physician. Overall, I’m ecstatic with the opportunity I have and am really happy I went through the process if for no other reason than to see what else is out there and feel like I was the one making the decision rather than just falling into something easy. I just wanted to thank you all for the advice here!
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                    Thank you for taking the time to report back. I am sure this post detailing your thought process and experience will help many who follow the forum who are at the same point in their careers. It helped me understand better, also.
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