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    WCI’s networth is an estimation or is that real?
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    There’s an old saying that if you can pinpoint your net worth to the penny, you must not be that rich. You tell me what WCI and my house are worth and I’ll tell you my net worth. Everything is an estimate really, including the value of the stocks and bonds in my index funds.

    To be fair, when I did that survey, I said the following when asked my net worth:
    “Depends on the value of the website, probably somewhere between $4 and $6 Million.”

    They apparently split the difference. At most this website may be worth $3.5 Million. At the least, it’s worth a million. And of course 25% of that disappears to long term capital gains taxes. Of course, some portion of my retirement accounts doesn’t really belong to me either. Nor do those UTMAs, Roth IRAs, and 529s for my kids. I’m certainly a multi-millionaire, but which million is a little hard to say.

    The really interesting thing about that list, however, is just how many financial bloggers there are with a net worth under $100K. There are really two types, I suppose. Type # 1 has “been there and done that” and can teach you how to do it too. Type # 2 is asking you to “walk with me while I learn about finance and build wealth.” Both can be useful depending on where you are at in life.

    I think I’d lose a lot of credibility if I didn’t have a rapidly growing net worth at this point in my life. We basically locked in our lifestyle at what we could afford on a pre-partner salary (a little under $200K) and aside from the occasional big splurge (the boat, the new car last year), save or give the rest. When you’re saving 2/3 of a very good net income, your net worth grows rapidly. When you actually like the work you do and plan to do it indefinitely, then you start realizing the assumptions you started with a decade ago may not apply in retirement. For instance, I never would have guessed I was going to have an estate tax problem. But if I keep working and earning like I have been the last couple of years, we almost surely will. Makes me wish I’d done more Roth 401(k) contributions and conversions back in the 28% bracket. First world problems…

    I don’t know that I’ve ever blogged about my net worth (Although I certainly wrote about it in the book), but given that my readers are very well aware of what emergency physician partners make and know exactly what this site makes, and know about what we save and spend each year, it shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. It’s just a math equation.
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    Can you expand a little on how exactly a site like this is valued.  It seems like the main value is you and the content that you generate.  If you were to sell it and leave completely, then they would have to replace you with someone else.  That alone would probably reduce the value significantly.  I suppose probably the best way to extract value would be to sell and stay on for a few years, while the replacement can get a couple of years of posts and exposure after which you would fade out.  But even then, once you’re gone, there’s still going to be a drop.

    So really the question is that if you’re an individual who could produce the type of content that WCI can, how much would you pay to take over vs starting from scratch.  I really have no idea.  But what does seem unlikely to me is that any of those people would want to cough up 1MM+ to buy this.  So at the end of the day, I’m really just left scratching my head.  How does one sell something like this site and what type of buyer.  I have no doubt that you could get at least a couple of million for the site, I just don’t understand why.

     
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    There’s lots of value in an enterprise such as this. I’ve got a valuable trademark that I’m defending vigorously from others trying to glom onto it to sell docs insurance. The SEO/advertising value of the site is worth about $78K a month (i.e. if someone just bought the site and redirected all URLs on it to their site that’s the equivalent of paying Google $78K a month to get that much traffic). Most of the content is evergreen and will last a long time with no updating.

    If I did NOTHING from now until the end of the year the site would still have a mid six figure income. There’s real value to that. With a team working on it full-time, it could grow into something 5 times the size (although probably not 50 times the size). So there are certain people in the world who see value there. I recently turned down a very nice 7 figure offer for the site. Many well-known financial sites out there started out as blogs like this one.

    The general valuation figures are somewhere between 2 times profit and 5 times revenue. But the idea when buying one is to buy one that you can add something big to with your talents, skills, and work.

    If someone comes to me with some ridiculously huge offer, I’d probably sell tomorrow. But if they’re only offering me a fair value, I’d like to keep doing this for at least another 5 years and who knows, maybe my daughter will take over when I’m done. At any rate, any sale is going to involve me staying on for a year or two to aid in the transition so it’s unlikely I’d ever disappear on you suddenly. At a certain point, something like this becomes a question of “What do I want to do with my life” rather than “how much can I get for this?” Once you have “enough” getting more doesn’t really change things much.
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    I find this really incredible.  I had no idea that a blog could turn into something like this until reading about your success.  I used to run a blog of my own when I was in residency.  It was all about the urban neighborhood we lived in and the transformation going on there.  Lots of politics, new businesses, social events, things like that to write about.  I didn't take it seriously enough though and eventually it fizzled out.  But, it got a decent amount of traffic for awhile. I even got a call from a reporter at The Atlantic magazine once wanting to interview me about gentrification in our city.  That was probably the highlight of my blogging career and made me realize people were actually reading.  But I never could have dreamed that something like WCI's success was possible otherwise I would have worked harder!  I never made a dime off it, but really enjoyed doing it.  It didn't seem like work to me at all because I was writing about things I really cared about.

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    • #32
















      WCI’s networth is an estimation or is that real?
      Click to expand…


      There’s an old saying that if you can pinpoint your net worth to the penny, you must not be that rich. You tell me what WCI and my house are worth and I’ll tell you my net worth. Everything is an estimate really, including the value of the stocks and bonds in my index funds.

      To be fair, when I did that survey, I said the following when asked my net worth:
      “Depends on the value of the website, probably somewhere between $4 and $6 Million.”

      They apparently split the difference. At most this website may be worth $3.5 Million. At the least, it’s worth a million. And of course 25% of that disappears to long term capital gains taxes. Of course, some portion of my retirement accounts doesn’t really belong to me either. Nor do those UTMAs, Roth IRAs, and 529s for my kids. I’m certainly a multi-millionaire, but which million is a little hard to say.

      The really interesting thing about that list, however, is just how many financial bloggers there are with a net worth under $100K. There are really two types, I suppose. Type # 1 has “been there and done that” and can teach you how to do it too. Type # 2 is asking you to “walk with me while I learn about finance and build wealth.” Both can be useful depending on where you are at in life.

      I think I’d lose a lot of credibility if I didn’t have a rapidly growing net worth at this point in my life. We basically locked in our lifestyle at what we could afford on a pre-partner salary (a little under $200K) and aside from the occasional big splurge (the boat, the new car last year), save or give the rest. When you’re saving 2/3 of a very good net income, your net worth grows rapidly. When you actually like the work you do and plan to do it indefinitely, then you start realizing the assumptions you started with a decade ago may not apply in retirement. For instance, I never would have guessed I was going to have an estate tax problem. But if I keep working and earning like I have been the last couple of years, we almost surely will. Makes me wish I’d done more Roth 401(k) contributions and conversions back in the 28% bracket. First world problems…

      I don’t know that I’ve ever blogged about my net worth (Although I certainly wrote about it in the book), but given that my readers are very well aware of what emergency physician partners make and know exactly what this site makes, and know about what we save and spend each year, it shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. It’s just a math equation.
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      Can you expand a little on how exactly a site like this is valued.  It seems like the main value is you and the content that you generate.  If you were to sell it and leave completely, then they would have to replace you with someone else.  That alone would probably reduce the value significantly.  I suppose probably the best way to extract value would be to sell and stay on for a few years, while the replacement can get a couple of years of posts and exposure after which you would fade out.  But even then, once you’re gone, there’s still going to be a drop.

      So really the question is that if you’re an individual who could produce the type of content that WCI can, how much would you pay to take over vs starting from scratch.  I really have no idea.  But what does seem unlikely to me is that any of those people would want to cough up 1MM+ to buy this.  So at the end of the day, I’m really just left scratching my head.  How does one sell something like this site and what type of buyer.  I have no doubt that you could get at least a couple of million for the site, I just don’t understand why.

       
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      There’s lots of value in an enterprise such as this. I’ve got a valuable trademark that I’m defending vigorously from others trying to glom onto it to sell docs insurance. The SEO/advertising value of the site is worth about $78K a month (i.e. if someone just bought the site and redirected all URLs on it to their site that’s the equivalent of paying Google $78K a month to get that much traffic). Most of the content is evergreen and will last a long time with no updating.

      If I did NOTHING from now until the end of the year the site would still have a mid six figure income. There’s real value to that. With a team working on it full-time, it could grow into something 5 times the size (although probably not 50 times the size). So there are certain people in the world who see value there. I recently turned down a very nice 7 figure offer for the site. Many well-known financial sites out there started out as blogs like this one.

      The general valuation figures are somewhere between 2 times profit and 5 times revenue. But the idea when buying one is to buy one that you can add something big to with your talents, skills, and work.

      If someone comes to me with some ridiculously huge offer, I’d probably sell tomorrow. But if they’re only offering me a fair value, I’d like to keep doing this for at least another 5 years and who knows, maybe my daughter will take over when I’m done. At any rate, any sale is going to involve me staying on for a year or two to aid in the transition so it’s unlikely I’d ever disappear on you suddenly. At a certain point, something like this becomes a question of “What do I want to do with my life” rather than “how much can I get for this?” Once you have “enough” getting more doesn’t really change things much.
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      I find this really incredible.  I had no idea that a blog could turn into something like this until reading about your success.  I used to run a blog of my own when I was in residency.  It was all about the urban neighborhood we lived in and the transformation going on there.  Lots of politics, new businesses, social events, things like that to write about.  I didn’t take it seriously enough though and eventually it fizzled out.  But, it got a decent amount of traffic for awhile. I even got a call from a reporter at The Atlantic magazine once wanting to interview me about gentrification in our city.  That was probably the highlight of my blogging career and made me realize people were actually reading.  But I never could have dreamed that something like WCI’s success was possible otherwise I would have worked harder!  I never made a dime off it, but really enjoyed doing it.  It didn’t seem like work to me at all because I was writing about things I really cared about.
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      The writing isn't the work at all. That's the fun part. It's the rest of it that is the work.
      Helping those who wear the white coat get a fair shake on Wall Street since 2011

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      • #33
        People who make outsized profits usually know about something most don't. Read Peter theil's zero to one book.

        WCI knows what sells and is cashing it. I will also go ahead and predict he espouses to the "4 hour work week" philosophy given response above of passive income from auto-setup blog if not updated.

        To MDs this is surprising. To online entrepreneurs it's not.

        Suckiest thing about medicine, no scalable. Web is insanely scalable.

        Good case study to learn from for sure. Having an "online property" is a no brainer to me.

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        • #34




          @PoF: LOVE the microbrewery idea!  Missing Garrison Keillor dearly.  Wish we lived back in Midwest again instead of HCOL Coastal SoCal, but alas our choice!   It’s pretty cool that you guys put it out there as bloggers and appreciate that.  ?:  What is backup emergency fund — Total US stock?   We keep a Municipal Bond fund (cali income tax 9%) in our taxable account as our immediate access fund (aside for unused HELOC).   How often do you move funds in the taxable to reset for tax harvest and which funds do you use?
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          Thanks, StarTrekDoc! I usually truncate monikers to acronyms when I respond, but in your case, that would be unwise.  :P

          You must have followed the link to my interview @ ESImoney. I love doing those; it's fun to open up and I tend to reveal a bit more about myself on other sites than I do on my own.

          To answer your questions, I consider my low 7-figure taxable fund to be my emergency fund. It's all stock and I'm ok with that. If it all loses 50% of its value overnight, I've still got about 7 or 8 years worth of expenses there.

          I don't reset after tax loss harvesting, but simply exchange into funds that I'm comfortable holding indefinitely. Last year, I was able to take losses 4 times, despite the S&P 500 returning nearly 12%. January, February, Brexit, and early November. Added up to ~ $40,000 in losses.

          Cheers!

          -PoF

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          • #35




            People who make outsized profits usually know about something most don’t. Read Peter theil’s zero to one book.

            WCI knows what sells and is cashing it. I will also go ahead and predict he espouses to the “4 hour work week” philosophy given response above of passive income from auto-setup blog if not updated.

            To MDs this is surprising. To online entrepreneurs it’s not.

            Suckiest thing about medicine, no scalable. Web is insanely scalable.

            Good case study to learn from for sure. Having an “online property” is a no brainer to me.
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            This was the most disappointing thing about any kind of earned income and not IP type of work. Not scalable and basically linear, except you get tired and cant even take advantage of the time available due to your other resources giving out first.

            You can scale in medicine by starting a practice and hiring. That of course involves other people and managing, not knocking out something yourself with zero marginal cost/effort to copy and disseminate. Limits to that scale are way different as well. Interesting stuff you dont think about necessarily when younger.

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            • #36
              Think there are a few of us who know this but it's the simple problem of - hey 300k l+ guaranteed of you go to work like right now vs toil away with zero cash flow and if you do well will hit milllions soon.

              The way medical training is set up also discourages challenging the status quo. Heck in rounds in intern year I tried thinking out of the box only to be yelled by the attending that I am challenging him. Whatever. This attitude is loser stuff in medicine. Strength in terms of seeing patients through but complete opposite for any innovation.

              Luckily I just turned 31 and looking at ecommerce seriously.

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              • #37




                Think there are a few of us who know this but it’s the simple problem of – hey 300k l+ guaranteed of you go to work like right now vs toil away with zero cash flow and if you do well will hit milllions soon.

                The way medical training is set up also discourages challenging the status quo. Heck in rounds in intern year I tried thinking out of the box only to be yelled by the attending that I am challenging him. Whatever. This attitude is loser stuff in medicine. Strength in terms of seeing patients through but complete opposite for any innovation.

                Luckily I just turned 31 ? and looking at ecommerce seriously.
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                Everyone has to deal with that stuff unfortunately. I have a word document somewhere where I just kept a tally of the "facts" and standard practices that came about because thats what the first guy did, never a study, tenuous logic, etc...Add to those kind of issues there are a not small proportion of people in academia that are sheltered and allowed high profile status even while being plainly mediocre at best and conflicts arise. There seems to be gross inability to see that many of these (at least surgical, post op, etc) best choices are simply preferences and there exists no reason or evidence to act otherwise or be so adversarial when someone says different. My program was very unnecessarily malignant, I knew it, but never saw how much until fellowship and seeing their program. I mean if you already knew it all why the heck would you need a residency, this logical inconsistency really bothered me. Im also not the best (though I learned how) at standing down to authority that is unjust.

                Two months before I finished residency I "challenged" one of the touchier attendings by not choosing his preferred treatment method and he viewed this as a personal attack I guess. Tried to get me put on probation, for the crime of suggesting a different way of handling a case in the emergency room. Mind you, nothing was done, we ended up doing it his way, but I simply disagreed and didnt say I understand his way was better. I had actually done two exactly similar cases that week with two other attendings (one a specialist in field) doing it the way I suggested (wasnt some de novo crazy). The program finally started imploding shortly after I left and that person ended up leaving and having some mild scandals. The whole residency actually had come together earlier to voice concerns, but staff was always chosen and we were ignored. I wish I was a better person and wasnt so gratified it blew up in a fairly spectacular fashion, but they get what they deserve and were warned so many times.

                So many similar stories or having to deal with people that wouldnt be able to eat if they didnt have the university structure supporting their uneconomical abilities, etc...Nice to have option to go it alone and crush it.

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                • #38
                  Great comment Zaphod. Totally agree. I have seen this happen in surgery as a radiology resident. Still kudos to you and the whoever is a surgeon. Such a difficult / stressful skill set. Imho general surgeons / trauma surgeons are criminally underpaid after going through so much abuse it's unreal.

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                  • #39




                    Kudos WCI.  Do what you want and when you want–including this (your) website.  My sister sold her company to a larger corporation and stayed on a year to transition administrative functions and teach the ‘look and feel’ of her company.

                    It would be great if your daughter takes on the spectre, but remember, like a small business, the progeny may not have the same desires and drive despite the financial benefits.

                     
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                    My 2nd told me the other day she's interested in being a computer coder. So now I've got a "financial planner or a back surgeon", a "computer coder", and an "emergency doctor." It'll be fun to watch how that changes over the years, but who knows? Maybe this will be a family business for a long time.
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                    • #40




                      Thanks, StarTrekDoc! I usually truncate monikers to acronyms when I respond, but in your case, that would be unwise.  ?

                       
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                      My comment may seem out of place in this otherwise cerebral discussion, but what the heck...

                      BWAHAHAHA!!




                      I don’t reset after tax loss harvesting, but simply exchange into funds that I’m comfortable holding indefinitely. Last year, I was able to take losses 4 times, despite the S&P 500 returning nearly 12%. January, February, Brexit, and early November. Added up to ~ $40,000 in losses.

                       
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                      Teach me, master! This would be a great walkthrough (with screenshots if possible) to show how TLH can be done.

                      One of the big questions I have when attempting TLH (haven't done it so far) is if I need to have an equivalent (or similar amount) present in my settlement fund already, or can I "buy-sell" a specific lot into a new (TLH partner) fund.

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                      • #41
                        Cannot explain the gigantic smiley from statement I quoted from PoF, but I apologize.

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                        • #42


                          Teach me, master! This would be a great walkthrough (with screenshots if possible) to show how TLH can be done.
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                          I actually took screenshots in November, and had them loaded up in Photoshop Elements, but not saved. When I returned to the hotel room (I was at a meeting in Maui), the computer had rebooted itself, and the screenshots could not be recovered. The Brexit post talks a bit about TLH, but without screenshots.

                          I have no doubt another opportunity will arise this year. I normally like to have at least $1,000 loss to take before engaging in TLH.

                          The mechanics will depend on the brokerage. With Vanguard, I simply exchange from one mutual fund to another. I don't have a settlement fund. If you're dealing with ETFs, I imagine it would work a bit differently, but the concepts are the same.

                           

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                          • #43
                            You normally just sell one, and buy another right then and there. Now, dont go selling or buying again with that same fund for at least 4 days, but otherwise its totally fine.

                            The point of TLH is that for many products, especially indices, they have the same beta/correlation and you are able to harvest a "loss" all the while not really taking a true loss since you are still in the market in an instrument that broadly performs like the one you sold. Nowadays with so many etfs available its very simple.

                            I even use a form of this in some of my tax deferred accounts to take advantage of this beta play and mean reversion after down portions of the market, but thats a totally different animal.

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                            • #44




                              Cannot explain the gigantic smiley from statement I quoted from PoF, but I apologize.
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                              You should. There's no excuse for that. We are doctors. None of us should be that happy.

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                              • #45
                                TheAbacus,

                                Your big smiley face made me smile! I'm still laughing from reading your apology to PoF. I was settling in getting some reading done and the huge smile face jolted me awake!

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