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**Zaphod** · 02-23-2021, 08:22 AM

TSLA trade has looked sick for at least a month and broken the last week and a half. Call OI has switched to puts, ARK is being targeted for illiquidity by HFs, there are lots of competing meme type companies to take away attention, ofc valuation is at an impossible level for any time frame.

Last year was an excellent year for tsla, this year not so much. They just cannot grow another 10x (this year) without being worth more than the world, that will def slow growth.

Bitcoin move was pretty dumb unless theyre trading around it, puts the company on volatile ground. They'll figure out how to value it non-gaap but really it can only be marked down.

With current PE/etc....any wild swings up or down are all very reasonable. No good reason it got so high, certainly not fundamentals, and there doesnt have to be a good one when it goes down either.

**Nysoz** · 02-23-2021, 08:50 AM

Even around $700 TSLA is priced for the next few years growth of their car manufacturing. I don't expect any multiples appreciation in share price in the short to medium term and expect it to trade largely flat as TSLA grows into their valuation. But who knows with as illogical as it is. The only way there's another 10x would be completely disrupting transportation with autonomy and we're years away from that, if ever.

I wonder if we'll get a good explanation of the whole BTC thing and what they plan on doing with it, either in tweets or during the next earnings call. It was around 6-7% (I was hoping for 6.9%) of their cash position and speculated to be around a $31-33k purchase price. So even with the recent drop in BTC, it's still up around 40-50%.

**Tim** · 03-04-2021, 08:23 AM

Global market, EV market, model market. Market share is important in every category.

Tesla Is Bleeding Battery EV Market Share To Ford's Mustang Mach-E: Morgan Stanley

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-bleeding-battery-ev-market-062703803.html

Tesla Inc (NASDAQ: TSLA) is losing market share to Ford Motor Company’s (NYSE: F) Mustang Mach-E in the United States, according to Morgan Stanley, Electrek reported Wednesday. What Happened: The global financial services firm said in its February auto sales report that the Elon Musk-led company’s share of the battery electric vehicle market fell to 69% compared with 81% in the same period a year earlier, according to Electrek. The Ford Mustang Mach-E reportedly made up for nearly 100% of the share loss. See also: How to Invest in Tesla Stock The report said that EV sales in the U.S. were up by almost 40%. The report assumed 21,550 Tesla sales in the U.S. and 9,527 BEV sales made up of a pack of manufacturers made up of names such as Ford, Volkswagen AG (OTC: VWAGY), Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (OTC: BMWYY), and General Motors Company (NYSE: GM). Why It Matters: Electrek noted that Tesla does not break down sales unlike many other automakers and registration data are not available per state. Model S and Model X production was also briefly halted in late February and Model 3 production was hit due to a parts shortage issue. Tesla’s market share in the United States is likely to dip below 60% this year and below 50% in 2022, as per Electrek. See Also: Tesla's Share Of European EV Market Reduced To 3.5% On Tuesday, former Tesla board member Steve Westly said the Palo Alto, California-based automaker will not remain “King of the Hill in electric forever.” Westly pointed to heightened competition from traditional automakers and Chinese rivals. Price Action: Tesla shares closed nearly 4.8% lower at $653.20 on Wednesday and gained 0.11% in the after-hours trading. Click here to check out Benzinga’s EV Hub for the latest electric vehicles news. Latest Ratings for TSLA DateFirmActionFromTo Feb 2021Morgan StanleyMaintainsOverweight Feb 2021Piper SandlerMaintainsOverweight Jan 2021Deutsche BankMaintainsBuy View More Analyst Ratings for TSLA View the Latest Analyst Ratings See more from BenzingaClick here for options trades from BenzingaHow Lucid's Plans For The Future Differ From Rival TeslaSuch Speed, Much Wow! Dogecoin To Make A Reappearance At NASCAR© 2021 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.

Just one take.

**xraygoggles** · 03-04-2021, 08:26 AM

Ur short is coming through Tim

enjoy the tendies

**Panscan** · 03-04-2021, 08:48 AM

Did anyone think that wouldn’t happen? Ya when a big 3 car maker makes a halfway viable electric car it’s going to be bought by a lot of people who have a favorite in the big 3 and pretty much exclusively buy from them.

Of course it’s going to decrease market share, you have an entire new number in the pile.

**Tim** · 03-04-2021, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Tim View Post

Global market, EV market, model market. Market share is important in every category.

Tesla Is Bleeding Battery EV Market Share To Ford's Mustang Mach-E: Morgan Stanley

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-bleeding-battery-ev-market-062703803.html

Tesla Inc (NASDAQ: TSLA) is losing market share to Ford Motor Company’s (NYSE: F) Mustang Mach-E in the United States, according to Morgan Stanley, Electrek reported Wednesday. What Happened: The global financial services firm said in its February auto sales report that the Elon Musk-led company’s share of the battery electric vehicle market fell to 69% compared with 81% in the same period a year earlier, according to Electrek. The Ford Mustang Mach-E reportedly made up for nearly 100% of the share loss. See also: How to Invest in Tesla Stock The report said that EV sales in the U.S. were up by almost 40%. The report assumed 21,550 Tesla sales in the U.S. and 9,527 BEV sales made up of a pack of manufacturers made up of names such as Ford, Volkswagen AG (OTC: VWAGY), Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (OTC: BMWYY), and General Motors Company (NYSE: GM). Why It Matters: Electrek noted that Tesla does not break down sales unlike many other automakers and registration data are not available per state. Model S and Model X production was also briefly halted in late February and Model 3 production was hit due to a parts shortage issue. Tesla’s market share in the United States is likely to dip below 60% this year and below 50% in 2022, as per Electrek. See Also: Tesla's Share Of European EV Market Reduced To 3.5% On Tuesday, former Tesla board member Steve Westly said the Palo Alto, California-based automaker will not remain “King of the Hill in electric forever.” Westly pointed to heightened competition from traditional automakers and Chinese rivals. Price Action: Tesla shares closed nearly 4.8% lower at $653.20 on Wednesday and gained 0.11% in the after-hours trading. Click here to check out Benzinga’s EV Hub for the latest electric vehicles news. Latest Ratings for TSLA DateFirmActionFromTo Feb 2021Morgan StanleyMaintainsOverweight Feb 2021Piper SandlerMaintainsOverweight Jan 2021Deutsche BankMaintainsBuy View More Analyst Ratings for TSLA View the Latest Analyst Ratings See more from BenzingaClick here for options trades from BenzingaHow Lucid's Plans For The Future Differ From Rival TeslaSuch Speed, Much Wow! Dogecoin To Make A Reappearance At NASCAR© 2021 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.

Just one take.

I am not short (stock position)

Clearly they are the market leader in EV. Much of the optimism is the lead they have. Needs to be measured in 3 categories. That should be the metric for projections.

**Zaphod** · 03-04-2021, 01:04 PM

They could absolutely destroy profitability and sales, and still have their multiple crushed, its simply too high for any safety.

**Brains428** · 03-05-2021, 08:36 AM

TSLA at 556 at 10:35 AM CST. Nuts

**CordMcNally** · 03-05-2021, 08:48 AM

Jason DeBolt, the software engineer who announced his retirement on 1/7 after amassing nearly $12M in TSLA and vowed to hold, still shows outward confidence in TSLA. I imagine his true feelings are the opposite of that.

**Tim** · 03-05-2021, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Brains428 View Post

TSLA at 556 at 10:35 AM CST. Nuts

Back to Thanksgiving levels. Not too far from Battery Day. What would be interesting would be to plot and annotate the actual PR and press announcements on a stock price chart. No interest, there are way too many public relations topics to draw any conclusions. Yes it is volatile. I found this definition: "liable to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse."

52 Week Range

70.10 - 900.40

**Peds** · 03-05-2021, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Brains428 View Post

TSLA at 556 at 10:35 AM CST. Nuts

because.....?

**xraygoggles** · 03-05-2021, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Peds View Post

because.....?

...because when stonks go up for no apparent reason in a short amount of time, they also go down as well for no apparent reason. Aka speculation.

**STATscans** · 03-05-2021, 10:12 AM

Its back to $580 at 1 pm

**FreshPaint** · 03-05-2021, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by CordMcNally View Post

Jason DeBolt, the software engineer who announced his retirement on 1/7 after amassing nearly $12M in TSLA and vowed to hold, still shows outward confidence in TSLA. I imagine his true feelings are the opposite of that.

Yeah this is aging really poorly for him so far.

**CordMcNally** · 03-05-2021, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by FreshPaint View Post

Yeah this is aging really poorly for him so far.

He can still sell and diversify and still likely retire.

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