Tesla, the investment

[Cubicle]

Am I the only one who loves Elon Musk more now than a couple of weeks ago?

I guess I'm the "drone", but people like Musk, who are just unsatisfied with everything & just want to keep going... my kind of people.

[fatlittlepig]

Did you read his bio? He was borderline psychopathic.

I’ve read multiple. SJ didn’t engage in the sort of puerile behavior that we see in EM. Just browse his twitter feed, he’s not firing on all cylinders. He’s made many unforced errors. Steve Jobs was much more of a professional and wouldn’t engage in behavior that would be a detriment to the company.

[StarTrekDoc]

Musk has always been a bit more unhinged and on the edge. More Zukerburg than Jobs/Bezos/Gates. He's an engineer who wants to build stuff to push the edge. He wants to go to Mars and launch cars into space.

He's 8 years old and with the moxy to continue to push his dreams and pull us along with him on the ride--and for the most part, we're all for the better.

Land a rocket on a remote operated barge at sea? Sure, why not.

[Dont_know_mind]

Musk is very driven.
So was Jobs. Jobs may have been more narcissistic and obsessional in a different way (about the perception of his image and his reality distortion field/aka “persuasiveness”).
Twitter and social media have evolved.
Trump tweets more than Obama.

I am not a Tesla fan. But EM nailed it with the last Tesla capital raising.

[fatlittlepig]

Unfortunately he doesn’t have the maturity or focus to run the company (tweeting about funding secured to amuse his girlfriend, traveling to Thailand cave for a photo op, the lawsuit with the cave diver, the diatribe with regards to the lockdown and the stock price tweet, congenital overpromising). need I go on?

[burritos]

I’ve read multiple. SJ didn’t engage in the sort of puerile behavior that we see in EM. Just browse his twitter feed, he’s not firing on all cylinders. He’s made many unforced errors. Steve Jobs was much more of a professional and wouldn’t engage in behavior that would be a detriment to the company.

I don't/didn't know either person, but I can safely say that both were successful in their visions and both are not normal(in both a bad and good way). I will give you that EM is "puerile", but SJ was overtly hostile and belittling to his subordinates. He would scream at people at the work place. And maybe people sometimes need to be screamed at right(maybe in the middle of a firefight or life threatening situation)? Now this tactic moved mountains but I wouldn't consider it professional or normal.

[fatlittlepig]

Jobs, from what I have read was exceedingly difficult to work with, and especially during the formative years of Apple behaved in an imperious matter, most famously he froze out certain members of Apple from stock grants. That being said he maintained laser focus on product improvement, and as far as I can recall his behavior did not cross the line into bizarre and juvenile something EM seems to do on a regular basis.

[burritos]

I can't speak to the eating habits of EM, but SJ was a devout fruititarian:
https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/s...ve-jobs-119434

While it was arguably "natural," it is a diet primarily of sugar. This diet plus the chronics stress of running both pixar and apple I believe (so did SJ:https://mashable.com/2015/10/05/jack...witter-square/) led to the demise of his health. Constant stress=hypercortisolemia(not measureably, but metabolically)+ constantly eating 'natural' sugar(though all sugar is natural)-->high serum glucose-->high insulin-->insulin resistance-->mood disorder(including bipolar and OCD):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6480108/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6742634/

So his personality oddities probably was not all his fault, but was a necessary phenomena for us to all have iphones and ipads. Also eating fruit 24/7 thinking that it's good for you is causing the pancreas to crank out insulin all the time. Insulin shuts down autophagy-->cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6274804/. Though most doctors when they hear this think it is BS. Anyways, we all know that SJ got pancreatic CA and the rest is history. No more pushy person at the helm of Apple. Had he lived though, we'd all probably be watching iTV in self driving iCars by now.

[Molar Mechanic]

Jobs didn't have Twitter, and was generally a private person. Musk loves the limelight. Who is crazier it a bigger asshole remains to be seen. They both have discussed mind altering drugs.

[Tim]

“Land a rocket on a remote operated barge at sea?”
Not sure if I can actually point to one aspect of my or anyone’s life that EM has made “better”.

I can point to Thomas Edison and appreciation inventions and entrepreneurs (GE) or Howard Hughes or some of the more current folks you mentioned. It’s amazing how easily the word “we” is used. Just saying I do agree with the “unhinged".

[Nysoz]

Someone organized his tweets into a more coherent thought.

"You think I'm just doing this for money, or keep the stock price up and get my equity? That's BS. I've poured everything I have into these companies, and don't care about anything else. I'll sell everything I own. And I don't care about today's stock price, it's too high IMO. I'm dedicating myself to Tesla and SpaceX. To the Earth and Mars. This isn't about me, it's about doing the right thing. And if you're going to abandon me for speaking out, or because you need today's stock price to be higher, Bon voyage. Bon f*** voyage."

I think a CEO or anyone prominent should keep in mind that their every move or word is scrutinized, for better or for worse. That includes elon musk, the president, or anyone else. So even though I'm not a fan of his antics, I love the mission and the promise of the companies so it's not swaying me from investing. If Tesla fails, it's at least made waves and progress towards a more sustainable future.

I don't understand why there's so much hate for the man. Yes he's a childish immature billionaire nerdy type of personality. But he's founded successful American companies, making American made cars, giving lots of people jobs. All while trying to make the planet a better place. The climate change discussion can be had somewhere else, but why bet against and hate a person trying to save the planet?

[Tim]

"why bet against and hate a person trying to save the planet?"
It's not that I don't trust EM. It is i don't believe him! It's not hate by any means. Just one opinion that he has enough coin and its about his ego. No more, no less.

[burritos]

"why bet against and hate a person trying to save the planet?"
It's not that I don't trust EM. It is i don't believe him! It's not hate by any means. Just one opinion that he has enough coin and its about his ego. No more, no less.

As distasteful inflated egos are, they are what propel us collectively to the stars.

[Cubicle]

Musk is definitely not acting "polished" publicly. But I trust someone like that more than someone who always looks polished publicly.

[Tim]

As distasteful inflated egos are, they are what propel us collectively to the stars.

Somewhere alone the way, tolerance and respect for individual rights got confused with “acceptance in our society”. Social norms do not mean “it’s ok”. You were allowed to say “no way am I accepting your views or behavior.”
Now it’s “Omg, you are a bad close minded person.” I doubt one can “weird” is a requirement for creativity. By the way, no desire to go to the stars let alone Mars or the moon. Especially in a rocket with EM! His antics get old.