Ukraine War... How much will S&P drop this week?

[Perry Ict]

This is an extremely naive take on history. "It is right there in the historical record" completely ignores the changes in the world that have taken place.
Fighting the last battle is a HUGE mistake. News flash, the world is different. It really is, to make the assumptions that "it's right there" is lunacy.

Oh? That's interesting. Has the world really changed to the point that we would accept China or Russia heavily arming their allies with high tech weaponry (or worse) at our border?

It's not hard to see that this conflict is escalating the chance of something catastrophic happening on a worldwide level. The way to end it before it gets there is through diplomacy.

[Tim]

Oh? That's interesting. Has the world really changed to the point that we would accept China or Russia heavily arming their allies with high tech weaponry (or worse) at our border?

It's not hard to see that this conflict is escalating the chance of something catastrophic happening on a worldwide level. The way to end it before it gets there is through diplomacy.

Of course Berlin would have causes a nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis. We got bases there now.

[jacoavlu]

to paraphrase donald rumsfeld that's a known unknown. it's a strawman argument to engage in unknowable hypotheticals.

at any rate if ukranians want to fight to the death and it meets our strategic national interests ie preventing spread of Axis power into one of our allies and right up to the doorstep of NATO - then why shouldn't we support that? And why is it acceptable to you that Russia invade right up to our NATO doorstep but not ok if that exact same country chooses itself to lean toward NATO? in either case Russia sharesa border with NATO or its proxy - what's the difference?

While i'm not happy Russia illegally invaded Eastern Ukraine and Crimea in 2014, that status quo existed without a hot war and Ukraine was not trying to take those areas back. Then Russia upped the ante with a medieval scorched earth campaign and the civilized world barring autocratic China and its client states rightfully fought back.

I said six months ago we need an exit ramp for Putin. The pre-February 24 borders are a start but formal recognition of those illegally seized lands without a free election and reparations to Ukraine for the economic and human catastrophe Putin has inflicted is not a serious proposal.

there are always unknown unknowns. At the beginning of the war someone may have thought Ukraine could have defended themselves without our support. And yet we got involved. Because we can make an educated guess. Just the same we can make an educated guess about the likely outcome, given what we know today

if you’re 50:50 on Crimea and talking about “free elections” you’re not that far off from the points that Elon outlined and was roundly dismissed and chastised for

anyway time will tell

[Kamban]

This is an extremely naive take on history. "It is right there in the historical record" completely ignores the changes in the world that have taken place.
Fighting the last battle is a HUGE mistake. News flash, the world is different. It really is, to make the assumptions that "it's right there" is lunacy.

Just like the markets " this time it is different".

Of course it is not different today compared to 1962, as far as the war machine is concerned. Even today we will have a standoff if Russia puts missiles in Cuba or China in Mexico. Yet we want the ability to put it there close to Russia.

[bovie]

Just like the markets " this time it is different".

Of course it is not different today compared to 1962, as far as the war machine is concerned. Even today we will have a standoff if Russia puts missiles in Cuba or China in Mexico. Yet we want the ability to put it there close to Russia.

There is a unique aspect to the North American continent—the actual landmass itself—compared to Eurasia which should not be discounted and certainly plays a large role in this hypothetical.

[Panscan]

Just like the markets " this time it is different".

Of course it is not different today compared to 1962, as far as the war machine is concerned. Even today we will have a standoff if Russia puts missiles in Cuba or China in Mexico. Yet we want the ability to put it there close to Russia.

Yes it’s called we are america and run the world.

[FIREshrink]

Just like the markets " this time it is different".

Of course it is not different today compared to 1962, as far as the war machine is concerned. Even today we will have a standoff if Russia puts missiles in Cuba or China in Mexico. Yet we want the ability to put it there close to Russia.

By invading Ukraine Russia put itself directly adjacent to NATO. It's as if we invaded North Korea and then complained about how close China was. It fails logic 101, it's simply a smokescreen put up by Russia apologists of whom there are apparently many.

[jacoavlu]

I bet now that midterms are over you will see US get more aggressive in terms of diplomacy / anti Ukraine

[pitt1166]

elon lost all credibility regarding geopolitical matters when he started carrying water for the CCP party line with his taiwan comments, at least in my eyes.

[CordMcNally]

elon lost all credibility regarding geopolitical matters when he started carrying water for the CCP party line with his taiwan comments, at least in my eyes.

It all goes back to money. We’ve seen it with the NBA and various companies. Elon and Tesla are no different.

[Tim]

Just like the markets " this time it is different".

Of course it is not different today compared to 1962, as far as the war machine is concerned. Even today we will have a standoff if Russia puts missiles in Cuba or China in Mexico. Yet we want the ability to put it there close to Russia.

Most things from China sent to Mexico are destined for the good old USA. From what I have heard, the call for emergency measures are Chicago, NYC, Martha’s Vineyard and DC. Take that as not a political comment, I have not seen any examples that anyone in this administration has the stomach for “a standoff”.
Maybe that is a good thing. The answer seems to be, wait for it……throw money at it.

[jacoavlu]

elon lost all credibility regarding geopolitical matters when he started carrying water for the CCP party line with his taiwan comments, at least in my eyes.

If you wanted to you could talk specifically about what he said about the Ukraine Russia war and your thoughts on how he is wrong and your opinion on alternatives

[jacoavlu]

It all goes back to money. We’ve seen it with the NBA and various companies. Elon and Tesla are no different.

Elon actually seems willing to say what he thinks regardless of consequences. Whereas the NBA seems to toe the party line and isn’t interested in expressing any opinion opposing the current thing

do you disagree?

[StarTrekDoc]

It all goes back to money. We’ve seen it with the NBA and various companies. Elon and Tesla are no different.

Relevance = nose in the trough = 'power' No different in politics or business.

Elon on ukraine under the guise of saving lives is an interesting one. I'm sure he means well, but lacked the sensitivity and long term play of appeasing a bully that picked the fight in the first place.

Elon's far east play is much more simple. He wants to sell cars and BYD access.

[CordMcNally]

Elon actually seems willing to say what he thinks regardless of consequences. Whereas the NBA seems to toe the party line and isn’t interested in expressing any opinion opposing the current thing

do you disagree?

I don’t disagree completely. I think he’s more apt to speak his mind, especially compared to the NBA. I also don’t necessarily think he’d come out full fledge against China, either.